• NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml
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    I may be stateside but i’m still amazed that a party that’s supposed to be truly left-leaning is putting out alt-right policies in the U.K.

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    Labour had a historical chance after the Tories have fucked it up so much, and they’re just doing shit all the time

    Hopefully the Green party can save UK

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    When banging your step mum is legal but watching a fictional video of someone else banging their step mum is illegal 🤪 welcome to the UK ladies and gentlemen.

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      It’s legal if you submit your ID to the government and have it recorded in the masterbaitorbase that you whacked off to that video. What, don’t make it weird… /s

    • WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world
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      Well, it’s not really different to supporting a genocidal fascist dictatorship and declaring everyone who supports their victims “terrorists”…

      The world is an idiocracy and the majority of humanity are mentally ill. The world would not be as fucking stupid and insane as it is if the average person was logical.

      • otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        …if the people weren’t intentionally under-educated and manipulated en masse for generations to prefer illogical, irrational, and self-destructive patterns by their respective “government”.

        FTFY.

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      To be fair, the headline is overblown since they are banning step-incest porn where one of the individuals is pretending to be underage.

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        Which begs the question of “what do they mean by pretending to be underage?” I seriously doubt any of the actors are going to claim to be underage in the video as that would get their videos removed from any mainstream platform. Another user suggested that this is based on body type meaning petite actresses are going to be the ones targeted as being “illegal” just for existing as they are despite being of age.

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          Yeah, it looks very vague and possible targeting videos that don’t exist, have no effect and still give Starmer a political win?

          Starmer could use it but his reverse hand of midas is going to turn it to shit no matter who.

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    The Ministry of Justice said that possessing and publishing porn showing incest between family members and sex between step or foster relatives where one person pretends to be under-18 would be a crime.

    So it’s only a crime if they pretend to be under-18, and I haven’t seen any porno where anyone pretends to be under-18. There’s literally a category called barely 18. No one ever pretends to be under, but they do pretend to be barely-18.

    Jess Asato, the Labour MP for Lowestoft, said: ‘After many years of campaigning to ensure online pornographic content is subject to the same rules as offline content,

    When the fuck was under-18 porn ever legal? WTF? Also, isn’t the age of consent in the UK 16 years old?

    What the fuck is the point of this? Why the fuck is it needed? Who is it helping? What is it fixing? NOTHING.

    Fucking jokers… Go tax the billionaires and fix the NHS and the cost of the living crisis you cunts .

  • MithranArkanere@lemmy.world
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    As always, the first computers you should check when anyone tries to ban consensual porn that harms no one, are the computers of the ones proposing the ban.

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    Banning porn where the actors pretend that what they’re doing is almost illegal is wild. What’s next, prison time if they say that one of the participants is just over the age of consent?

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      Nah, I want to know when they finally ban the really vile stuff. You know, all those murders on the screen in, oh I don’t know, 70% of all fictional works?

      That they seriously consider step porn as worse than murder shows that it is all about control and not about morals.

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        Talking about banning porn is just outrage porn for those for and against it. The point is to drive home surveillance state and most importantly drive discussion away from things that actually matter and the people in power desperately want people not to talk about or take notice. Modern liberal politics is very much an art of pretending to do something when actually doing nothing and just acting as the guarddog of even decaying society that has been politically hermetically sealed for the benefit of the top 1% funder class.

      • Brummbaer@pawb.social
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        They need to have some violence in media, how else would you recruit tomorrows policemen and soldiers.

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          dont you mean brownosers and cannon fodder. also add in a little, degrading education standards, and funding helps.

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        That they seriously consider step porn as worse than murder shows that it is all about control and not about morals.

        No, it shows their morals are different than yours (and mine).

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      A key clause not included in the headline and only briefly mentioned in the article is that this doesn’t ban all step-porn. It only bans the step-porn if one of the actors pretends to be under 18.

      From gov.uk:

      The first of these vital measures will ban anyone from possessing or publishing harmful pornography that shows incest between family members, and sex between step or foster relations where one person is pretending to be under 18.

      A further amendment will criminalise the publication and possession of pornography where an adult is roleplaying as a child.

      (edited to update link)

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        Isn’t an adult pretending to be a child in porn already illegal? That seems like something that would always have been illegal.

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          It sounds like that was not actually illegal in the UK, based on the article. However, I am not a UK resident nor expert in porn law.

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            In that case is it still legal if they’re not pretending related? Seems that would be the bigger fish here.

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        That seems like a weirdly specific way to just say that age of consent laws apply to the stated ages of the actors. The UK’s age of consent is 16, or 18 if the other person is in a position of power (like a step-parent is).

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    I don’t really get this. If the characters in the production are adults and not blood related how is it different than roommate porn?

    • 🍉 Albert 🍉@lemmy.world
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      the UK loves to control adults. they banned face sitting porn. there was a law where you a had to ask your ISP to allow you to see adult content (with the default being off). but I’m not sure how/if it was enforced because I lived there when they made their law and had no issues.

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        they banned face sitting porn.

        Well, it kinda makes sense. If you allow people to simply watch face sitting porn from the comfort of their homes, how are they supposed to sell the public the licenses required to face sit in real life?

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        Well Uk citizens will just use a VPN (until the government tries to take that away too and fails miserably). This is just ridiculous do real politics instead of this bullshit

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      where one person pretends to be under-18

      The performers may be adults, but it seems the key thing is an assertion that one or more of the characters are underage.

      Which seems easy enough, two 18 year old step siblings. In fact, I don’t know how often they ever explicitly state an age for a character nor anything that would definitively make them underage otherwise.

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        yeah im not big on fiction being censored. granted though in the modern age with computer graphics and ai it sorta gets wierd since its possible one could not tell. still with obvious classical style art it should not matter or with scripts or whatever. I mean there are a few well know porn actresses that are small and lithe and their schtick is generally a pretend to be underage. You 100% know they are adults becuase of their fame.

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        The logic of the people pushing this is all stepbro porn is asserting they’re underage because if they’re stuck in the same washing machine then they live together and that means they’re under 18 because British housing is very affordable. The British ban on face sitting and squirting porn got overturned with a ruling that you can’t ban porn of anything that’s legal irl. So now they’re looking for things in porn that they can construe as irl illegal to try to find something they can ban.

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          Someone needs to get up in Mahmoud’s face and say “You know what’s really obscene? Selling weapons to someone committing genocide! And kowtowing to a murderous, kleptocratic nonce and nonce-protector as well.”

          I wonder if they’ll ban sofa-fucking porn too, or if they’re too scared of Vance to even try.

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      Personally I really dislike it and how ubiquitous it is just because the topic creeps me out. Which isn’t to say that people putting something on the internet that gives me the ick calls for arrests, court proceedings and prison time, the judicial system should not be for micromanaging how people masturbate, and it shouldn’t be that hard for people to accept that it’s just none of their business.

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    Step-incest pornography and that which depicts performers as children is abhorrent.
    Alongside banning strangulation in pornography which the government previously announced, tackling this vile content will make our country a safer place for women and children and shows the UK can lead the world in tackling violence against women and girls

    That’s it folks, step incest is violence against women and girls. Next up, in order to further protect them, they’ll be prohibited from going outside without a man by their side.

    Whoever asked “What’s next, BDSM?” - guess what

    The government has already made porn that shows women being choked illegal, after a review found videos like these had helped normalise it in real life.

    The only silver lining in this whole thing is still only in “planning”

    Ministers are also planning to make tech bosses personally liable if their platforms do not remove intimate pictures of people that are posted without consent.

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    The most interesting thing about this is the fact that step siblings can have legal relationships and even marry under UK law, but depictions of their very legal sex lives are now illegal.

    I think someone might challenge this as a human right to expression infringement.

    For instance, you and your partner happen to be step siblings, but want to generate income on onlyfans. Now you can’t. Not because you are defacto doing anything illegal.

    Also, and here’s where it gets fun…

    Imagine you and your partner do make sexy videos but then your respective parents hook up.

    The videos were made when you were not step siblings, but now you are.

    Where does the law stand there? No one knows.

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      Where does the law stand there? No one knows.

      Be even worse in a few years when the paltry votes they scrounged up with this move are long forgotten and the law continues to punish and hurt people for literally no justifiable reason.

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        A person presumed to possess the legal capacity for consent cannot have sex with a person presumed to lack that legal capacity. The teenager is not restricted; the adult is restricted.

        When a camera is added, the law becomes inconsistent. The minor lacks the capacity to legally engage in sex, but is now (potentially) culpable in their own exploitation if they video themselves.

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      Imagine you and your partner do make sexy videos but then your respective parents hook up.

      The videos were made when you were not step siblings, but now you are.

      This is essentially my understanding of the origin of the trope. When I was growing up, both me and every single kid I knew’s parents were already or in the process of either getting a divorce or remarrying.

      So situations like Clueless and Drake & Josh were the norm, and it makes the trope all the more hilarious.

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      Well how could it not be? Genetically it’s just two random people, what would be the basis of making it illegal if at some point your parents hit off?

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        The basis to make it illegal is antiquated views of old white men how other people should live their lives according to how they see fit. Nothing more

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      Ah thus is about the porn nobody is actually a step sibling.

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      Generally, the effect of all the “for children” laws and parties etc is exactly the opposite.

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      Obviously the best thing the UK government can do to protect women is a mass purge of the corrupt justice system that let rape cases go entirely uninvestigated for at least a decade ban stepbrother incest porn.