• HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world
          18·
          7 days ago

          If Rhodesia, the Confederate States of America, and the Third Reich can live forever in the hearts of the far right, PizzaKentuckyBell can live forever in mine.

            • HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world
              2·
              7 days ago

              Wait, being directly cited as not being akin to the three states I listed is a bad thing?

              I couldn’t disagree more.

              • JcbAzPx@lemmy.worldEnglish
                2·
                7 days ago

                That’s not what you did. If that’s what you were trying you may want to give it another pass.

                • HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world
                  2·
                  7 days ago

                  Frankly, I very much believe this is a reading issue more than a writing issue, but I do agree the solution is “give it another pass.”

                  Right now we have a data set of 1/1 that had issues comprehending what I meant. When both sides of that number tick up, we can talk about the data tending towards that it was poorly written.

                • EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world
                  1·
                  6 days ago

                  If santa, the tooth fairy, and khan can all live on in the minds of dreamers, so too can chicken/bell/hut live in our hearts.

                  What they have written is confident and not comparing the food to the fasciats.

  • canniest_tod@lemmy.world
    12·
    7 days ago

    Is this meant to suggest that reactionaries aren’t work-shy as hell? That would be a lie. They all want some bullshit media career as much as any liberal.

          • Sarah Valentine (she/her)@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            6·
            8 days ago

            Capitalism doesn’t value anything. It is the codification of one of several ways of life we can only understand by observing human beings whose behavior is antithetical to the survival and advancement of our species. It is an evolutionary and ideological dead end, the same as the genetic lineage of any creature born with the compulsion to commit suicide from birth. People can choose to do better so it’s not a matter of genocide to do away with it. It’s ideocide. All instances of this system of thought must be done away with, and future generations warned about the consequences of ever allowing it to regain a foothold in the noosphere.

            • teslekova@sh.itjust.works
              9·
              7 days ago

              I would say it values anything that enables the growth of capital. That can include people. However, I do agree that it is inherently indifferent to human life.

              • Sarah Valentine (she/her)@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                5·
                7 days ago

                I get where you’re coming from but I do feel the need to point out that you’re ascribing held values to an ideology. It’s not a person, it can’t value anything. As an ideology it is valuable to people whose values prioritize self-enablement at all costs.

                • teslekova@sh.itjust.works
                  2·
                  7 days ago

                  Interesting point. I think you’re right. It’s a system, not a sentient being, it can’t really have values. Thx for the interesting point.

        • 4am@lemmy.zip
          6·
          8 days ago

          If you just bullied the fuck out of people, maybe you’d be able to pull yourself using their bootstraps

          • Sarah Valentine (she/her)@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            5·
            8 days ago

            That behavior is encouraged, and the circumstances that give rise to it cultivated, by people who subscribe to that worldview. Because it justifies their choices to throw the many under the bus for the desires (not needs but mere desires) of the few.

            It all comes back to exploitation; the rest is just what it takes to sustain it.

    • papalonian@lemmy.world
      13·
      8 days ago

      Luckily for me I get exploited physically and mentally. I strive to one day only be exploited mentally.

  • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
    79·
    7 days ago

    I’ve worked back to back 60’s at Amazon, what the hell do you think made me a communist?

      • Fedizen@lemmy.world
        2·
        6 days ago

        Boomers are like: “when I was your age I worked 40 hours a week while going to college” and don’t say they did their homework at work and got paid for it because there were no security cameras and could pay their yearly tuition and rent with a full time job at a gas station.

      • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
        25·
        7 days ago

        No, that’s what had made me a liberal before lol.

        It’s very funny to blame “communist propaganda” when all my schooling was from a capitalist perspective. I never even knew what communism was until I searched for alternatives because of being dissatisfied with the existing system.

        • Matty Roses@lemmy.today
          5·
          6 days ago

          Heh I was a teenage Ayn Rand fan.

          It was working minimum wage jobs while studying economics that made me a communist. Because the math of the myths of capitalism doesn’t work.

          It’s one reason I laugh whenever some libertarian tells me I need to learn basic econ - because buddy, I learned basic, advanced, and I usually know your theory better than you do. It’s why I know it’s dogshit.

        • BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world
          2·
          7 days ago

          If you think communism is a solution to your problems, you’re dead wrong. You’ve been told things you wanted to hear, not the truth how communist state looks like in real life.

          • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
            24·
            7 days ago

            “Been told” lol. I’m reminded of back in high school when I told my parents I thought gay people should have rights and they responded “who’s putting these ideas into your head?” It is, in fact, possible for me to come to conclusions on my own.

            • BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world
              2·
              7 days ago

              I remember my father telling me how he miraculously managed to get permit to leave the country in the 80s to work in capitalist Europe. He returned with insane fortune of like, $500, which he later spent on paying off mortgage when system fell apart in the 90s.

              • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
                17·
                7 days ago

                It’s tragic that your family had to spend that money on a mortgage because the state that provided free (or heavily subsidized) housing collapsed. Fucking capitalism, amirite?

                • BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world
                  3·
                  7 days ago

                  state that provided free (or heavily subsidized) housing

                  You weren’t getting any housing in that system. You could enlist in a queue and wait for 20-30 years to get piss poor commie block apartment. My father was one of very few people who were just well enough for building a house. He was struggling with money, rationing of materials, corruption and poor quality of work, while our family of four lived in 20m2 apartment like animals in stables.

              • Riverside@reddthat.com
                13·
                7 days ago

                He returned with insane fortune of like, $500

                So, communist countries are affordable and $500 can buy you a lot of things?

                • BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world
                  2·
                  7 days ago

                  Transformation just uncovered all the lies and sins of previous communist system. Once state run enterprises were allowed to file banktruptcy 30% of them failed immediately. Country was also hit by hyperinflation like a hammer because previous system was printing money like crazy and “fixing” it by price controls and food rationing.

    • Rose@slrpnk.net
      2·
      6 days ago

      Of course conservatives go “only physical work is real manly work, young people are lazy, hue hue hue”.

      …while Babylon Bee staff is mostly known for sitting in the office and posting low effort shit that can incredibly charitably called “attempts at humour”.

      Hey, if you’re conservative, you’ve got to be contradictory and hypocritical, after all.

    • BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      15·
      7 days ago

      No joke, I got dog piled off this site for using that last word you used. We’re so busy purity testing ourselves instead of just attacking the right in an organized fashion.

      • Alloi@lemmy.world
        9·
        7 days ago

        actual leftists dont argue with leftists. the purity test is a myth created by the far right in an attempt to drive an ideological wedge between leftists, and the fence sitting liberal capitalists. its a self sorting myth that pushes liberal capitalists away from full class conciousness based on percieved petty differences. much like the gondolins and the horse men of rohan prior to the battle of gondor, especially under the influence of grima wormtongue, who whispered untruths and falsehoods in the ear of the bewitched king theodan, in an attempt to keep the kingdoms of men divided. even after his bewitchment, king theodan understood that he needed to put away the ledger of sins from their past with gondor, in order to prevent the fall of man. he struggled with this, but ultimately knew what had to be done when gondor called for aid. everything was at stake.

        the leftist understands that its always been up vs down. and that left vs right is a distraction myth. we are like the elves, dwarves, and men of middle earth, even the hobbits. fighting against the darkness of sauron. squabbling over petty differences only serves the dark lords mission of division and permanent victory over man, bringing upon an age of darkness the likes we have never seen before.

        we fight for what all that is right and good in this world. for freedom, equality, and truth. anyone who says otherwise is under the influence of forces beyond their current understanding. whether or not they succumb to ignorance is a matter of will and intellect. much like fighting the dark influence of the one ring and saurons will, it is ultimately up to the individual to imagine a world not dictated by greed and the persuit of ultimate power. but rather one where all can live together, in equality, harmony, and peace… in spite of our differences. we as their friends and would be allies also have a duty to guide them when we can, and accept them for their differences, as long as they are willing to fight along side us.

        “Never thought I’d die fighting side by side with an Elf.”

        “What about side by side with a friend?”

        “…Aye… I could do that.”

        we all share this world together, and the time of darkness is upon us all. we should remember what our fight is for, and it is not just for ourselves and our own way of life. but the lives of the men and women, and everyone inbetween and beyond. who, like us, simply want to live a full, free, and peaceful life.

  • ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.caEnglish
    40·
    7 days ago

    Right now, I’d pick physical labour over IT. I’m sick of being attached to a desk 12h a day looking at a screen and making some predatorial company richer.

    I’d rather be cleaning up my neighborhood, planting flowers in the park, or working at an animal shelter or the local soup kitchen. Actually making a fucking difference in society.

    • EpicFailGuy@lemmy.worldEnglish
      24·
      7 days ago

      fellow IT worker here …

      The sickle and hammer are not representative of planting some flowers in a garden.

      If you’ve never done any real farming, I recommend you try it even for a day to learn a whole new appreciation for our modern way of life. It is brutal backbreaking work … and so were most industrial jobs from the era of soviet communism.

      Thank god for modernization, but I also agree on the despair of being a slave for an ultra rich asshole. I’m dealing with it by starting a corp with a couple of buddies that is owned by us and doing some work on the side … hopefully this can eventually free us from the chains.

      • Riverside@reddthat.com
        10·
        7 days ago

        It is brutal backbreaking work … and so were most industrial jobs from the era of soviet communism

        Those jobs still exist, you just outsource them to Pakistan and India.

    • Godric@lemmy.world
      19·
      7 days ago

      As much as everyone would rather do meaningful things with their time, communist societies need ditchdiggers too!

      Construction and manufacturing takes all types, no experience needed, but I found factory work to be a great motivator to get into IT. Grass is always greener, I suppose

      • Prunebutt@slrpnk.net
        21·
        7 days ago

        I think the big issue is lack of variance in your work. Human brains need different stimuli. S o if you do only one type of work all the time, you want something different after a while and yearn for another extreme.

        Problem is: that runs counter to taylorism.

        communist societies need ditchdiggers too!

        I gladly dig ditches, if it’s not the only thing I do.

      • SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world
        9·
        7 days ago

        Yeah some people think that in a communist society that they will suddenly do other jobs like working in an animal shelter. Nope if you work in IT now you’d still be in IT under communism. The commune still needs to keep their IT infrastructure running and the people with IT skills get assigned to do that.

        • Jako302@feddit.org
          2·
          7 days ago

          I honestly just wish the capitalist number min-maxing to keep shareholders happy would finally stop. In the last 8 years the time I spent doing “accounting work” has increased from 10% of my total to almost 50%.

        • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
          3·
          7 days ago

          Yeah, some people will need retraining, especially the managerial class. But for the most part, if my country had a peaceful and sudden communist revolution tomorrow, I’d be clocking in on Thursday with the same engineering job and asking what’s changing now that we’re under new management.

      • 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de
        8·
        7 days ago

        That’s the problem with all politics. People don’t like the status quo and so vote for “not this” without considering the ill effects of what they’re voting for, or historical precedent. It’s how we ended up with Trump twice, it’s how we ended up with Brexit, and it’s not going away any time soon.

        • potoooooooo 🥔@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          7 days ago

          This is why I think any shift to the left will still go poorly. The ignorance is still there. The misinformation is still there. It will be used for negative ends by bad-faith actors like everything else.

          • Koarnine@pawb.social
            4·
            7 days ago

            Everything goes poorly, always. Not shifting for the left means horrible things done poorly. Shifting to the left means at least good things done poorly, that’s not a meaningless difference.

            Just be realistic with the goals of your movement and you won’t disappoint anyone - see Mamdani.

    • sexy_peach@feddit.orgEnglish
      1·
      7 days ago

      Physical labor as in laboring. There are plenty of jobs go ahead wreck your body if you want. Nobody is forcing you to work in IT

  • Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    28·
    8 days ago

    I’m a communist and don’t want to break my back using a sickle to harvest crops, but also no one does except people watching trad content and romanticizing it. This is why we’ve automated most of the hard manual labor in developed countries.

    We really need to update the symbol, besides all the baggage with the USSR it’s just out of date. Maybe on 1920s Russia most people were working with a hammer and sickle, and a lot of people still do to this day in less developed countries, but the meme is right, you ask your average Gen z in the developed world what the symbol means they’ll shrug and say idk.

    • backalleycoyote@lemmy.today
      12·
      8 days ago

      Funny you should choose the sickle over the hammer. In industrialized nations commodity crops like wheat, soy, corn, and rice are predominantly mechanically harvested. But tree fruit, berries, and a lot of veggies remain hand-picked or have a mixed manual/mechanical harvesting method that’s much more labor intensive than a combine mowing down endless acres of wheat.

      The hammer however has seen a massive decline in full time use across construction sites in developed nations. It’s still a useful tool and most workers carry one, but pneumatic nail guns dominate new construction in developed countries that use wood as their base material.

      I’d also push back on your claim that hard manual labor in developed nations is automated. Mechanically assisted to varying levels, like a pneumatic nail gun instead of a hammer, or a haybaler instead of a sickle and building a stack, but it’s still got humans putting hours of physical effort into using those machines to achieve the finished product. There’s people behind home construction or remodels, strawberry picking, road construction, and wildland fire fighting to name a few.

        • backalleycoyote@lemmy.today
          4·
          8 days ago

          As the narrator says “the future farmer might not be holding a shovel, they might be holding a remote control”. Technology changes the means by which the humans do the labor, but there’s still a human behind the machine, not an automaton.

          • Maeve@kbin.earth
            3·
            8 days ago

            The difference is how and why AI labor is utilized from one nation to another.

            • backalleycoyote@lemmy.today
              4·
              7 days ago

              DJI is not marketing their ag drones as fully automated (source is their most recent annual report with other shots from their website) but as tool for labor reduction, precision, and for efficiency in applications like seeding/chemical dispersal, aerial surveillance, load carrying, and time saving.

              https://www-cdn.djiits.com/cms_uploads/ckeditor/attachments/9211/46fc4e7ab0c2e7161f5bccd991e57f55.pdf

              Operators use software to plot their routes and remain present during use.

              While they do discuss automated assistance and there is potential for refining such technology, there still remains a human component.

              AI does have great potential for not only reducing the demand on human physical labor, it also has promise for reducing the amount of toxic byproducts that end up in the environment due to the demands of mass agriculture. Carbon AI is a Large Plant Model that can currently identify over 150 million weeds in real time and uses precision laser blasts to kill them. However, even this is not currently a fully automated process as the machine requires human operation.

                • backalleycoyote@lemmy.today
                  2·
                  7 days ago

                  Your example is not AI labor, it’s a modern technological tool that improves efficiency while decreasing the physical toll on human workers that agriculture has historically taken. It’s also not a technology limited to a single country. DJI sells ag drones worldwide and their website highlites the success of their product in Brazil, Mexico, and the recent policy shifts in FAA regulations in the states to allow American farmers to adopt this tech. It’s a fantastic advancement but it’s not even close to eliminating human labor.

    • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
      3·
      7 days ago

      That’s part of why I like the symbol of the DDR. Sure hammers and compasses are outdated, but they’re easy symbols for labor still vital, and instead of a sickle there’s sheaths of wheat

      • Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.worldOP
        1·
        7 days ago

        I’m not sure you know what a Nazi is or hyperbole or irony or context or humor or shitpost or dancing or singing or clapping or smiling or grass or imagination or jumping Jacks.