There are memes like “when you have to prove that you’re jewish” or crass jokes about people standing out due to their lack of foreskin, but i remember hearing that a huge swathes of American men are circumcised - it’s like 49%. Jesus.
If literally half of every men are circumcised, why is it even a remarkable topic to Americans? How did it become such a meme?
Because it’s an immoral act to impose it on anyone without consent and barbaric to subject an infant to it.
im surprised its just half. Im in a major metro area and unless there is something about circumcision that gets you to go to the gym more I would say its much higher in my area. Im pretty sure most every catholic in my area has it done.
You misspelled male genital mutilation.
THIS is why Im an intactivist . THIS is why we need faaar better sex education that illegalizes Male, Female and Intersex Genital Mutilation!
Study of Danish men shows that amongst about 800,000 men tested those who were circumcised had higher STD and HIV rates
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-021-00809-6
Study of almost 400 men shows that after circumcision more of them reported having more difficulty achieving orgasm and masturbating than before https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17155977/
histological study of 26 men showed that the foreskin was the most neurologically sensitive part of the penis. The foreskin also played a part in protecting the glan of the penis from rubbing against clothing that made it more sensitive in those with a foreskin https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/joa.13481
Intact America Survey finds that the majority of mothers who were prompted to give their son a circumcision accepted meanwhile the majority who were not did not give their son a circumcision. mothers were asked on average 8 times if they wanted to circumcise their son. Soft sells,” such as being handed a consent form, increased circumcisions by 137%. Instead mothers should be given informational materials on how to clean theirvintact son’s foreskin. the foreskin will correctly retract after late puberty https://intactamerica.org/press-release-having-a-baby-boy-get-ready-for-the-circumcision-sellers/
American Academy of Pediatrics representatives get grilled on questions that have to do with the functionality of the foreskin AND OF COURSE, they cannot answer them. Because they’re corrupt bribed shills!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUU6g_hoGvU
A study of nearly 200 adolescents from Tanzania, Zimbabwe, and South Africa show overwhelming ridicule of those who have an intact penis and a ton of misinformation. Women believed that men who had a circumcision could be more promiscuous and that having a circumcised penis improved the sexual health of all partners involved in sex. Men reported a widespread support from female lovers to get a circumcision. There is no evidence that male genital mutilation or circumcison leads to significant increases in pleasure or decreases in disease transmission rates . The circumcision propaganda machine is clearly working!
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5888916/
according to the CDC and what they examined amongst men in the USA at least. The rates for breast cancer and penile cancer in men are actually about the same.
https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/breast/men/index.htm
https://gis.cdc.gov/Cancer/USCS/#/Trends/
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/cancer-of-the-penis-is-rare-but-can-quickly-become-deadly
Therefore, In men preventative mastectomies against breast cancer are more justifiable than circumcisions as preventative measures against penile cancers.
(And also yes being bigger or having more skin does increase your odds of getting some cancers as having more skin cells increases your odds of getting cancer… but I doubt that penile cancer is one of them - https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34515952)
https://i.redd.it/or5hgojxkk991.png
"Does Circumcision Reduce Men’s Sexual Sensitivity? " Sham article that was ‘medically reviewed’ by a person who…is a writer that majored in English!? HOW!? We don’t see people who majored in mathematics medically reviewing articles, right? So why should people who majored in English be the ones to medically review stuff??! We should have had a surgeon or doctor medically reviewing all human anatomy articles
https://www.circumstitions.com/resent-celebs.html#affleck
https://bristoluniversitypressdigital.com/view/journals/gd/12/1/article-p9.xml
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10vHvJlEizN88J83r5H0FtUa627GykBum1IWOry-JeR0/edit
You can’t even trust the wrold health organization for accurate information on male genital mutilation and circumcisions since they are biased and ahve blood money from bill gates and melinda foundation
https://en.intactiwiki.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization#cite_note-garenne2022B-30
Posts and surveys from hundreds of people showing their anger against having had been circumcised.
http://www.circumstitions.com/Resent.html
The ridiculousness of male circumcision
AccorDing to the Circumcision Information and Resources Pages, studies they have reviewed have shown that circumcision laeds to problems like premature ejaculation, erectile dysfunction, and less marital and sexual satisfaction
http://www.cirp.org/library/anatomy/
A heroic website created by women who talk about how their partner’s circumcision has negatively impacted their lives
http://www.drmomma.org/2009/07/how-male-circumcision-impacts-women.html
Phimosis: Stretching Methods with or without Application of Topical Steroids?
https://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(05)00684-0/fulltext
The penises of mutilated boys of the Ulwaluko tribe who are forced to undergo circumcision from a young age in unhygenic settings by unprofessional surgeons (VERY NSFW)
https://en.intactiwiki.org/wiki/Ulwaluko#Ulwaluko_photos_collection
“There Are 20 Different Penis Types — and They’re All Important” SHAM article written by a quack which downplays the terrors of circumcision. Even in the article they recommend that circumcised penises should most likely use lubrication for masturbation…right after saying that circumcised penises function similarly to uncircumcised ones!? wooot!? Another SHAM article that’s what!
https://www.healthline.com/health/types-of-penises#penis-defined
Lost Boys: An Estimate of USA Circumcision-Related Infant Deaths
https://www.academia.edu/6394940/Lost_Boys_An_Estimate_of_U.S._Circumcision-Related_Infant_Deaths
Numerous cases Of chidren having their penises burned and severed off as a result of a botched unnecessary circumcision process
https://intaction.org/botched-circumcision-baby-loses-penis-malpractice/
Doctor Accidentally Lasers Off Boy’s Penis During Circumcision
https://www.menshealth.com/health/a19535324/laser-circumcision/
Boy who was forced to live as a woman after their genitals had been seriously damaged in a botched circumcision in Canada
There has also been a connection found between delayed ejaculation and circumcision. Some men with circumcised penises have found that the suffer from delayed ejaculation as a result of the numbness https://sci-hub.se/10.1111/and.12101
According to a small survey the prevalence of death-grip syndrome , which is a serious destruction of nerves in the penis due to harsh masturbation, is moreso prevalent in circumcised men than in non circumcised men.
http://www.joseph4gi.com/2019/11/death-grip-and-circumcision-is-there.html?m=1 I for one have suffered from death-grip syndrome even though Im a virgin so let me give you what information I have gathered about it from myself: The foreskin is a massive organ remember! It covers the whole of the penile shaft from the meatus to the testicles and it slides back and forth and acts as a natural protector and solid lubricator for the penile shaft during masturbation or intercourse. Men with no foreskin tend to be gripping the the unprotected urethral shaft , which is not meant to be tightly gripped at all one should note, just as tightly as they would a protected one. That unprotected urethral shaft over time WILL receive thousands of microinjuries and destroyed nerves over time. The loss of nerves in that region means that a man has to grip the unprotected urethral shaft harder and Harder and **HAAARDER ** every time they masturbate and this damage eventually results in a loss of stimulation. I am sure there are many women out there who suffer from dead vagina syndrome which was made worse by THEIR unconsensual circumcision!
https://metro.co.uk/2017/12/13/need-know-dead-vagina-syndrome-7156032/
And finally a study of over 100 men proved that a circumcised penis is FAR less sensitive than a uncircumcised one in the ventral scar and glans of a penis because the foreskin protects the man’s ventral scar AND glans from unwanted overstimulation (like when a man’s glan is rubbing against his pants on a shaky bus ride) and environmental damage (like water running down his urethra during a shower) - https://sci-hub.se/10.1111/j.1464-410X.2006.06685.x It is possible that circumcised women ALSO experience a decrease in stimulation to the clitoris without the clitoral hood due to , once again, overstimulation and environmental damage and it is possible that a woman gets her clitoral hood chopped off in a unconsensual circumcision. Heck some women have reported having their ENTIRE clitoris butchered off during their genital mutilation! …I believe, and I’m sure most men agree with me, that a woman and all other non-males has the right to be born with and grow up wit h a vagina that is unharmed and unadulterated and gives her as much sensitivity, freedom and pleasure as she wants. Now, why do I so many men not have this right to having a protection against over stimulation and environmental damage?! In this case men, women , and non-binary peoples are ALL are getting fucked over equally by genital mutilators!
Study of almost 400 men shows that after circumcision more of them reported having more difficulty achieving orgasm and masturbating than before
This is, unfortunately, the reason it was originally done
Good lord this may as well be a peer reviewed article behind a pay wall. Good stuff.
Thank you very much for sharing
If literally half of every men are circumcised, why is it even a remarkable topic to Americans? How did it become such a meme?
Because the other half are bigots.
I got pushback when I told my ex and docs no to chopping my kid despite having been so myself.
‘But it’s cleaner and easier to manage…’
Don’t care, unless you can give a medical need reason he can make that choice as an adult if he wants.
So did I but I got overruled because I don’t have a penis therefore I don’t know what I’m talking about. His cries still haunt me and it’s one of my biggest regrets. I should have thrown a bigger fit but I’d just done 3 days of active labor.
That’s a damn crime, both ethically in discrediting your view, and I would guess legally if they literally went ahead despite the protests of a parent?
“it’s cleaner”
… is such a weird reason to me.
Washing your knob when you shower is one of life’s little pleasures. Who’s avoiding it to the point their beanie is getting crusty under there?
If a dude can’t even give his old feller a good scrub a dub dub, where else is he neglecting?
Lack of hygiene in general is the bigger issue in this scenario that’s for sure.
“easier to manage”
I’m almost scared to ask what specifically is being managed here… It’s a dick, not an intern.
Phimosis was mentioned as I recall, that and the goo under the hood.
There are a good number of evolutionary remnants that may not be ideal or even needed (wisdom teeth, tailbone, appendix, etc) but we don’t go performing preemptive surgery because of them.
Not that I disagree with the point, but sometimes wisdom teeth are pre-emptively removed, if it seems like, they are going to grow all fucked up, from the start. So out of the mentioned, that is a bad example.
No, it still works. Because with the foreskin it’s the same, there are also rare cases where there is a medical justification. My cousin had his removed as a teen, on medical grounds. We’re Danish, so it wasn’t some religious or cultural push.
Yeah, but more the doing it ‘by default’ type premptive. None of those are things that have a ‘just what we expect’ aspect to them, only done if there’s a probable cause.
When you teach a kid how to clean themselves in the bath you teach them how to clean each body part with no shame. How hard is that to manage.
But but the asshole cause that’s gay
No, that’s just self care. Cleaning another man’s asshole? That is gay.
But it’s cleaner and easier to manage
Both complete lies btw
The one “truth” is that it “reduces the risk of cancer”… Because technically chopping anything off reduces the risk of cancer, because that thing can no longer get it.
However foreskin cancer is not exactly a high cause for concern, and by this logic cutting off your ears and nose would be more logical.
Also not necessarily correct, foreskin protects from chafing and other similar micro fissures that happen daily for people without foreskin (as shown by the person above you having issues running). And while removing a part of you does lower the chances of getting cancer there, if it’s protecting another part of you from something it can increase the risk of cancer on that other part.
Yeah fair point.
There’s probably studies/data on some of this, but for a thinly veiled argument that people use in bad faith I wasn’t going to go that in depth.
It’s definitely easier to manage the sccccccchhhhmegma without the ol smegma catcher being present, but I didn’t get my son circ’d because running in gym shorts when you’re fat, with a little acorn pointing straight forward, can lead to sphincter chaffing … and I’m not very fond of that feeling. I didn’t want to pass it down to him.
I hope he goes on to become a fast runner without the threat of penile chaffing. Good luck, my son, should you ever read this after I’m doxd
I shower everyday and never have cheese dick… You just pull it back when you’re cleaning it. It’s one extra hand movement. I don’t see how one is easier or cleaner than the other tbh
Probably same folks that say mouth wash is too difficult.
Sometimes cleaning it is the best part of my day
It’s not a big deal to clean, but it does require a little extra care, yeah
That’s the proper attitude.
We’re not all American
I think it’s clearly american-led. The fellow I linked was American.
I wonder what kind of parent is okay with sexually mutilating their child. That sounds just fucked up.
Here Rabbi, bite the tip of my infants penis off. Crazy isn’t it?
I fear every religion and society that imposes that on children suffers from a very sordid case of “author’s kink”. If you’re born with it and are not suffering from it, there is absolutely no fucking reason in the universe to cut out the foreskin of a boy or the clitoris of a girl. What the absolute fuck, mankind.
It’s viewed as either a cultural or religious tradition. Both of these are hard to pull your head away from once you’re raised in that situation, but it is possible. There are likely some cultural or religious practices most of us follow that might be viewed as bad by the masses in a few generations, like eating meat. Or at least lamb/veal.
Idk man i like being circumscised, 40 years old and never once regretted it.
Do you have any experience on the other side of the mutilation fence though?
A few minutes i believe lol
If it’s something you chose on your own at an age when you were capable of making decisions for yourself, I have no objection (or if it was because of a phimosis, etc). If that decision was taken from you, then I think it’s mindless sexual mutilation, and that one cannot regret what one has not experienced. But it’s good that you have no problem with your peen being cut or not, buddy.
“Haha peepee funny”
It’s only 49‰? Color me surprised.
The rate of circumcision has been dropping in large part due to the millennial generation refusing to do so to our own children.
That’s so encouraging, honestly. At times I’ve worried that maybe I was wrong not to circumcise my son.
I felt so strongly about it when he was born but as he grows up I care more about him having a positive body image than fulfilling my own philosophical position. I’m glad to hear that he won’t be the odd man out, so to speak.
Millennials just out here casually making the world a slightly less horrible place for people to grow up in, in very measurable statistics that only they have direct control of, and that unambiguously cannot be attributed to any other generation, despite getting relentlessly manipulated, economically rugpulled and politically sabotaged their entire lives.
Fucking millennials are so obnoxious, amirite? lol avocado toast or whatever! /s
News articles: Millennials are ruining circumcision!
Millennials expect everything to have a tip
“Millenials caring about their kids’ autonomies… BUT at what costs?”
We’re stuck being the maintenance team for the boomers as they actively shit themselves but wont get out of the way of progress, or even the normal progression of life.
We’re trapped in the job market right as they rugpull the whole fucking thing.
I feel for genz. Their attitude to work is right on the money.
Millennial here, from an extremely Protestant Christian conservative family, fighting the good fight. I vow to continue not mutilating my children’s genitalia for as many as I can afford to have.
Just kidding. We can’t afford any more.
Color me surprised.
Such a batman-villain-esque line. The riddler, meet the colourer
- Americans are a minority on the internet
- It’s a joke, being built on truth and fact is not a core requirement
- Americans are a minority on the internet
Unless you’re american?
That’s true but it just seems to me that they lead the way in those kinds of memes.
Genital mutilation is weird, doubly so when it’s for a religion you don’t even follow
exactly.
My parentd abided by a religion that I barely know jack shit about and will never know jackshit about… (because Im an atheist)
Yet, I STILL have to live with permanent genital mutilation cause of THEIR religion… why? Why is the canadian government OK with this? Honestly why is ANY government OK with this set up?
The logic aint ‘logicing’
It might be hard to wrap your head around it, but there are people on the internet who are not from the US.
Bullshit.
Next you’re gonna tell me there are actually girls here, too.
No, not here specifically
The girls are on tik tok comparing themselves to other girls
and on imstagram and photoshop too making their hips, waists, and breasts impossibly curvaceous
Americans tend to punch down with jokes on men who are not circumcised. There is a lot of social pressure to circumcise our boys here.
The punching direction is that clear in this circumstance?
Which circumstance? The meme that OP linked or the crass jokes about people that don’t have foreskin?
Jokes in America tend to put uncircumcised men as the punch line or target of the joke. That’s why I used the phrase “punch down”. Men who aren’t circumcised tend to be made fun of in the US because of the societal pressure we have to circumcise at birth.
TIL that punching down is punching in the direction most other people punch.
Yup, down, right in the ole stinky pickle!
As a circumsized man, I don’t even know what all the fuss is about. Shit’s easier to clean and if there was any sensitivity loss from it, then I think I would have been a premature ejaculator if I wasn’t cut.
The argument that it’s cruel to a baby is valid; but most of the time, I’m seeing arguments from men who have no foreskin seemingly lamenting the loss of something they never really knew in the first place.
I think maybe you nailed exactly what the fuss is all about.
If no one had ever been circumcised before, and you pitched the idea of infant genital mutilation/modification, do you really believe any proposed benefits could possibly outweigh the revulsion of elective surgery on a baby?
I get it: no one should be judged for whether they are circumcised or not, and I can absolutely forgive people who have circumcised their babies for “normalcy” in the past. But the conversation right now is “what are we even doing here, guys?”
It looks bad and the glans is unprotected
I agree.
The sensitivity loss thing is mostly an internet myth, most studies on it show no difference with some studies reporting increased sensitivity instead. The foreskin does have nerve endings, but those are mostly “touch” nerves and aren’t really the nerves that contribute to pleasure/arousal.
As anecdotal evidence, I have a family member who got circumcised as an adult due to medical issues, and he’s very positive about it. I haven’t questioned him on if he had a change in sensation, but I know he’s happy with the outcome.
While I’m talking about benefits, I’ll mention it lowers penile cancer risk, reduces the chance of UTIs, reduces the chance of some STDs, and prevents phimosis/paraphimosis. Only real negative I’m aware of is the procedure itself.
The sensitivity loss thing is mostly an internet myth, most studies on it show no difference with some studies reporting increased sensitivity instead
It’s worth pointing out as a myth, it vastly predates the internet. The reason it’s common in the USA, is because the puritans believed it would make it easier to stop kids from masturbating.
the puritans believed it would make it easier to stop kids from masturbating
Im convinced the lotion lobby are perpetrators of keeping circumcision rates high.
Teenagers will jerk off to anything. I’m sure some neolithic cave teenagers were jerkin it to boob shaped rocks or baboon asses. Hormones gonna hormone.
the usa has the biggest or well ome of the biggest porn industries on the planet today despite the fact rhat mostt americam men have been circumcised since the 1900s …so…
Is this not proof that theyve failed? the american masturbators continued and continue to walk on despite their mutilations! …or well continue to jack on 🤭
I’d be interested to see those studies. Anecdotally, the nerves on the foreskin can absolutely contribute to pleasure/arousal just as almost any nerves on the body can do so. I wonder what criteria they’re basing that on and what differences they found.
Usually when people get circumcised as an adult, it’s because of health issues like phimosis where the foreskin is unable to retract over the penis glans. So yeah, I’m sure your family member was quite happy to have his penis work better when it gets hard.
Here’s a study on it. Basically the foreskin nerves are “touch” nerves, and all touch nerves get reduced sensation with arousal. The number of those touch nerves drops significantly with age as well, with a 90% reduction by the time your 45+. It’s other nerves (mainly in the corona and near the frenulum) that are focused on vibration and temperature, which mainly contribute to pleasure.
Ultimately the “ejaculatory latency time” doesn’t show a difference, even across various reasons for a difference in the quantity of touch nerves.
…bro that study that you linked is from brian j morris.
The RACP, the most notable medical authority in Australia, has denounced morris who is the author of this meta analyses . morris is an aussie and also a founder of a circumcision organization in Australia https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7691872/ this meta analyses is a sham by the quack brian.j morris. he was denounced by the australasian college of physicians. https://jme.bmj.com/content/circumcision-bioethical-challenge
Also you can research deeper and you will fimd the brian j morris was friends with a currently convicted pedophile , a pedophile who created a ‘sexual gratification group who’s members get off to thr thought of circumcising boys and to the thought of being circumcised’ Edit: I found it https://circumstitionsnews.blogspot.com/2013/11/london-gilgal-societys-quaintance-faces.html?m=1 Theyre both members of the gilgal society and they both get off to the thought of circumcising young boys, only one of them has been convicted of anything though
Didn’t know that, was literally just the first source I found.
Wikipedia’s article has a section on it, with about 4 difference sources that all seem to conclude the same though. Maybe they’re all bug circumcision propaganda, I haven’t really looked into that part of it.
When both “conventional wisdom” and our pediatrician advised it for hygiene and as something almost always harmless, and everyone I know had it done, I had no facts to decide against it for my sons
It’s normal. Almost always no negatives. reduces dick cheese
I realize there are horror stories but like with vaccines they are vanishingly rare
It’s normal. Almost always no negatives. reduces dick cheese
It’s not normal. What’s normal is allowing the natural design of the penis and foreskin to remain intact.
Wanna reduce dick cheese? Teach your sons how to clean their dicks.
It’s normal in the US, as in most people do it
Not anymore, it dropped to 49% recently.
My statement could have been “it shouldn’t be normalized” to be more accurate tbf.
I think history adds valuable context here ….
My kids are now in college. When they were babies, I literally heard nothing against the practice.
So 20 years of being public awareness and changing practices
I literally heard nothing against the practice.
It seems like you never went looking either.
I understand succumbing to social pressure unconsciously and I believe in “know better, do better”. I’m not trying to be harsh on you for choosing what you thought was best at the time. Now that you know, why do you still defend the practice?
What makes you think the arguments against circumcision come from circumcised men?
I am delighted that I was circumcised, and I think this is the most prevalent position for circumcised men to take. If it wasn’t, the practice would have died out due to fathers not insisting on it for their sons.
