For servers ways. For laptop today after last air attack. I know air “isn’t” arch. But without it arch has a lot less packages.
ex arch user for 5 yrs
current fedora user since 2024
i’ve been getting a lot of “recommended” youtube videos on gentoo and nixos
send help plezz
The first time debian oldstable broke a package after an incremental update, i reconsidered my long running hard stance against arch
Updated my endeavour install last night from 6.18 to 7.1 without issue: daily -Syu is for the birds
Arch user (btw) here. I use xorg and a custom tiling window manager. I had 0 breakage regarding my config. Nvidie fked me 2 times and grub was broken 1 time. Thats it. 10 years 3 chroot. Pacman runs when I feel like it. I used two weeks to configure my setup, and I hardly ever change a thing nowdays.
Tried Hyperland on an “old” thinkpad, each update broke something. So no thanks, I’ll stick to mature, battle tested components, where my config and sanity will remain stable, and leave the tamagotchi for ricers/thinkerers.
What about you? When did you choose stability over the rolling release?
This is such sloppy engagement baiting. If it was just a hot take shitting all over one of the larger linux communities, that would be one thing, but to follow it up with a “let me know in the comments” just makes it all feel disingenuous and like somebody is being sponsored by NordVPN or Incogni to post their ragebait
OP never finished an Arch install
This implies an Arch install can ever legitimately be considered finished.
You could argue that the first boot into an installed kernel is a finished install
What a chaotically turbulent take.
Why is a ‘finished’ install framed as an universally superior goal?
ChatGPT-ass take
The ChatGPT accent is real.
Hilariously outdated take.
I’m not one of those Arch evangelicals, but this isn’t true at all now.
100%. I’ve got servers running arch for the past 5 years or so and they’re the most stable systems I’ve got. I got so tired of the painful upgrade paths on “stable” distros so decided to switch a server to a rolling release.
After I found arch got security patches into the repos faster than the stable distros could backport, I decided to switch them all over.
I’m even a mad man and have them self update with a script that checks informant (or something, can’t actually remember) for installed packages against news. If no installed packages are found in news, it continues with the scheduled update.
It’s glorious.
I fully endorse gentoo and arch in prod
Especially when customizing the kernel is the default experience with Gentoo, reducing the theoretical attack surface even more if you know what you’re doing.
I was too lazy for scripting the update to check the news and just get a mail when the update has issues… or should get one.
In reality I check if the email process still works once every blue moon because I didn’t get one from a failed update in years.
If you want to have at least some thrill, use testing repos. I had to fix GitLab two (2) times due to the main package not being linked against testing libraries (it took 10 seconds to ln -s the new to the old version), and had one breakage due to dovecot revamping their whole config system, but publishing no example/useful docs.
I am, and you’re right, but my server’s still running Debian
But it says this screenshot post happened 4h ago.
Did the internet lie to me?
It still says 4h ago. I checked a while ago, still the same. What the heck? Is it moving in time? Always four hours away? How is this possible?!
There might be a bug in your time, check the logs
Ask fusion researchers, they’ve been maintaining a 30 year difference for decades.
I’ve made ~6 Arch systems at this point. None of them have randomly broken on me, none of them have broken after an update and to be honest have been solid. I have no idea where the narrative of Arch being able to destroy itself at any point came from, but I don’t think it’s true at all.
Its because people grab it randomly and then blindly install off the AUR
I was nervous to switch to arch at first because of all the jokes, but it’s honestly been pretty slick. My servers are all on Debian but I put arch on my daily driver and the most “tomogachi tinkering” I’ve done has been Bluetooth nonsense, which is a general problem on most distros.
Stable over rolling release?
These are not mutually exclusive.
Can haz stable rolling.
E.g. use Gentoo, and avoid the ~ and ** keywords.
Gentoo’s all about choice. You can choose to configure it so it does not require hand holding, and running it like a tamagochi. Or you can choose to fiddle with it so much it’s very time demanding… not the compiling, so much as the system configuration management. There’s official binhost now anyway. But then, if you’re fiddling around alot, you’ll send emerge to compile rather than just get a binary, to meet all your exacting nuances of configuration.
I have one gentoo that’s been rock solid for … about 17 years, with only one blip of downtime when there was a fire. No hand-holding.
Arch is indeed a different beast. In my experience, it’s only a matter of (relatively short) time before Arch eats its kernel or some other catastrophe that requires rescue or abandon.
Respect to Manjaro for what they try do, offer arch with more stability (and conveniences).
On a whim, just now, I made this
But, then, I hear many things have changed in arch, since I last used arch (just before the switch to systemd)… and maybe things have changed, and it does not do that any more…?
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And then also, can haz arch/artix/etc in a bedrock stratum… then it can carry on in its bloody rolling risky churn, in a safe space, where the more stable strata can pick up the slack when arch tries to faceplant itself again.
Arch really isn’t that bad when you’re not mucking around with the AUR. Debian is a little overkill for most normal users in respect to stability but it’s good people have the freedom to do whatever the heck they want with their machines.
I think if I was running a server at home for anything more than just wanting to tinker, I’d probably use Debian. But even then, I think if I had a server at home it’d be just to have a server lol.
Why should my pc be stable if I’m not stable
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I have questions now, about myself
Nothing is stable in this world nowadays.
So neither my distro nor my orientation.
I boot my arch laptop once in a blue moon and update it. Its not 2002 anymore.
wtf is this bullshit
and more importantly, why is it so condescending?!
It’s meant to be an attempt at humor/sarcasm/engagement bait I think.
Why would someone do that on the internet? I thought this was a safe place Q.Q
nixCraft (at cyberciti <dot> biz) is a site that has been slop publishing tutorials for everything ever possible with common unixy commands. And also shit like “30 Cool Open Source Software I Discovered in 2013”. It often calls Unix “Linux”, other times it uses both “Unix/Linux” for some reason, and sometimes it even says “on BSD, MacOS” for flags that only function on GNU coreutils. It started pre-AI, so it’s like clickhole but for “installed Fedora yesterday” people (although I would imagine most traffic being “I’ve been using this for 24 years and forgot some flag”).
