Okay, boomer 👍
Okay, idiot 👍
With that level of wit, you must be the comic creator.
I wish. I really like his style.
Irrespectively, “oh he disagrees with me, he must be stupid. And the artist disagrees with me as well so he must be stupid too” is the kind of thinking 5 years old children excel in. Well done to you.
That’s not “disagreeing”, that’s not tolerating a stupid comic that encourages sexist stereotypes that are just here to oppress women.
But hey, I guess I wasn’t wrong when I tagged your account as “piece of shit” long ago
stupid comic
“oh he disagrees with me, he must be stupid”
Oh so you can’t read? That makes sense
“oh he disagrees with me, he must be stupid”
I made the determination the other way around. The comic is stupid, therefore I disagree with him.
But I didn’t say stupid, I said witty. The comic is DEFINITELY not witty. Even someone who agrees with the comic should see that.
The comic is stupid, therefore I disagree with him.
…And since the comic is not stupid, what does it say about you?
Ignoring that second part I see. Glad to know I got that right.
The comic is extremely stupid. What’s the punch line? Where is the exaggeration? Where’s the twist of expectations? This is just the artist, who believes that women act like this, drawing women acting like this. That’s not funny or witty or entertaining. That’s documentation. Maybe it could be spun as some sort of anti-humor. But that would require wit, and we’ve covered that.
Or maybe you find it relatable and the reason you like it is “He’s saying the thing we’re not allowed to say!”? In which case, the comic is still stupid. You are allowed to say that. And we’re allowed to judge him for saying such a stupid thing.
The comic is extremely stupid
… or you just fail to understand it?
This is a tired misogynistic trope
It’s just a really odd comic series in general.
I’m wondering if much of the humour is lost in translation (I think it’s Spanish?) or something because they’re genuinely just not all that funny.
Native Spanish speaker here. They are genuinely dumb comics.
appreciate your input 🥰
What’s the trope exactly? Straight men like tits?
Basically it’s blaming women for any negative or unwanted attention by blaming them for what they choose to wear.
Ahh okay. I see it now. I just didn’t think about it that much. Good that people are pointing out that this is really the authors doing/set-up.
No, that women will dress provocatively and then shame people that actually look at them.
ok so see the thing is no matter what they’re wearing it isn’t rude to look at people but it is rude to stare at people
Lmao, these comics used to be everywhere. I think the artist just wanted an excuse to draw unnaturally busty women. I didnt mind. Because I wanted to see unnaturally busty women
She is ok. I wouldn’t say “unnaturally busty”.
I read it as she’s working against her own intentions, but whatever. I’ve seen women flirt like this, so the pushback and consistent lack of variety in the comments I see on these scenarios in comics always blows my mind.
Honestly, the bothering to call him a pervert is more attention than he deserves from her, and only his companion’s anger likely to actually bother him, but I’ve seen this done both “hey lady, your guy sucks” and “hey lady, your guy says I look better than you”, nevermind the occassional bar unicorn, but bars are their own alternate dimension I’m no good at navigating.
On the other hand, TIL Gaze-in-passing is “negative attention”. Taking it verbal like-so is escalation, and just as likely, if not more-so, to be meant to make his companion insecure as have anything to do with actually chastizing him. Y’all are at least as gross as the incels for assuming this is about shaming her for how she’s dressed.
Last thought: needs another frame so we can see where the other lady’s eyes were when her-and-dude were walking by, and the expression on her face. Dollars-to-donuts, its the same face as is now directed at the man, directed at MC.
I initially read it and it went over my head because she absolutely has a right to dress the way she wants AND to call people out if their staring makes her uncomfortable.
Even if she were topless that’s not consent and doesn’t give people the right to make her feel leared at.
But the audience you’re calling incels are correctly angry because the comic is specifically designed to make her intentions seem at odds with the outcome.
Here is the misogynist view point: ahh she is dressing up sexy FOR PEOPLE TO LEER AT HER, in this view you’re assuming “ahh yeah, she wants it, she wants my attention/mistreatment” <---- even if that mistreatment is as small as leering or unwanted attention.
But what I think you’re overlooking is: People AREN’T complaining about her behavior, they’re complaining about the AUTHOR of the comic setting her (a flag for all women) AND US, the audience up to “read in” the idea that she wants the attention. Wants “perverts” to look.
This is because it’s a drawing of a woman. It’s woman as signifier or a flag of someone elses message. The author’s message is basically “Bitches be that way”
I implore you to understand this though: Real women, and lots of other types of people, sometimes just like to dress sexy. Sure some percent like attention or are challenging the world… But that’s for them to know. The wider set, is UNKNOWABLE. So really hear this: Lots of women do the EXACT SAME BEHAVIOR as in the comic FOR THEMSELVES. Because THEY have a complex relationship to their bodies and want to feel freer.
Sometimes they’re even trying to say “hey my body is just a body, can we stop being horny over something I live with everyday and don’t want to always be read as ‘sex object’” see how this reading gives women (even made up and imaginary/drawn ones) full agency and respect? Sometimes women feel snotty, or gross, or are lesbians, or they’re having their periods, or they want to feel free, or they themselves want to feel sexy to themselves, or they only want the kindest of attention and to feel they can be appreciated without being made to feel leared at by men they consider old enough to be their dads (eg. Inappropriate).
…and that’s their legitimate right.
So that’s why, some comic book guy being like “look at thjs dumb bitch, she fucking wants it and now she’s fucking complaining - irony bro” is a really problematic take.
It’s an UNDERSTANDABLE take, it’s given, it’s a simplified take. As explained earlier it’s a take where the authors is flattening possibilities for women to sex-object. But it should be understood as misogynist.
You don’t want that take because a de-authored view of women, or simplifying them in misogynist ways, is a real turn off. It brings “The Ick” so easily… And it makes you interact with that half of the population so poorly because they’re primarily an object, dim witted and asking for sleazy attention. That’s not good for anyone.
Women want agency and the right to have their complexity respected. It’s not you that’s the problem, you’ve just accurately interpreted the AUTHORS message. The problem is that, that message is already prevelant enough in society to do real damage to how women are treated… And to make the excuses used by the people who do the mistreatment.
Disagreeing with the author’s take, is the honourable thing to do here. But you have to see what they’re doing and what’s being robbed from you, the reader: a more complex view of women, and encouraging them to be themselves freely. That is the only path anywhere good from here. 👍
Wait, you think I’m ALSO not complaining about the author setting up pure rage-bait with the least context possible in order to leave interpretation open to the broadest available set of people who will get upset and pontificate at eachother?
… but at the same time, the audience has seen hundreds of these. How the fuck are y’all not bored of ignoring all but the most self-serving narrative by now?
Lastly, bitches do be that way - I don’t even have a problem with it. Y’all want to applaud both the girl (possibly)trying to make another girl jealous, and the girl getting jealous, but villainize any man who exists in their space with enough spatial-awareness to notice their efforts.
THAT DUDE COULD BE GAY OR SINGLE, notice the one lady’s style, upset her by not giving a specific performative response or keeping his ugly eyes elsewhere, and the girl he’s walking with would still give him shit both for using his eyes as she herself almost certainly has for what evolution put them there for, and for not backing her take that “that thirsty bitch needs to put on more clothes”.
People are allowed to be thirsty. Policing eachother’s gaze is no more laudable than trying to control the competition’s attire, and all fall short next to either the guy or the girl having the sincerity to shout “You go girl!!” The worst barely-concealed thirst offers versus all that is discretion and a lack of effort.
I understand your confusion because I’m talking about both what the comic is depicting, and what REAL WOMEN in THE REAL WORLD have the freedom to say and do.
…but if you think the comics creator is trying to depict a gay man checking out someone’s style whilst the person next to them is expressing jealousy. Then I think you need your eyes checked.
That is NOT what the comic is about… And even if it were you’re skipping the fact that the conversation is about how media depictions (so yes, we are discussing the media) contains messages that effect women in the real world.
Also, policing and thinking about people’s gaze is part of social communication. Sarte writes about this in Being and Nothingness. If you watch this video you’ll see it’s about solitude and self, you too by feeling your natural gaze is being “policed” are ALSO experiencing “The Gaze” or “The Look”…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5r-qoABSF9E
So you’re reacting to that policing which you feel “seen” by. You are probably a male (as I am), we both, I suspect, like looking at tits. I’m not trying to invalidate that process, the policing isn’t intended to stop that, it’s intended to get certain messages and social boundaries around that “corrected”.
… BECAUSE this comic, is a type of misinformation, where women are naturally contradictory, rather than their behavior being a construction and imposition of outside gender rules …which media like this, is propaganda to reinforce.
I think I’ve seen the things I’ve described happen with my own eyes. Yes, all of them, including gay men getting “shot down” only to reply to the other girl beside them “what? but she does! she has really nice tits!” …
… but as far as what the comic was ACTUALLY portraying, I made no claims besides the obvious fact that we don’t really know, beyond that details were specifically left-out or included for no other apparent reason than rage-baiting. Its a mad-lib/roll-your-own-humiliation of a scenario where evon IRL participants usually have no idea what just happened, what the other parties’ thoughts were. They just tell themselves a story where they were the hero or at worst, victim.
Also, people are inherrently contradictory. Its really amusing watching people claim strangers they don’t know, and fictional characters no less, are more consistent than that.
If she shot him a nasty look, I won’t argue that’s unwarrented or inappropriate, but that’s not what’s portrayed. I also tried to impy that most straight dudes don’t distinguish all that much between positive and negative attention from attractive women; Like, holy crap, she turned towards him and gave him an excuse to look again, and he’s somehow expected to actually feel bad about it? The woman with him feels worse, promise, than if nothing were said, whether she’s the judgy-type or not, but society says she should keep any male companions on a leash(which society again?).
That’s a big part of why I said its more than he deserved, and that the protaganist is working against her own intentions, even when it comes to shooting him down. She can be working-against her own intentions at every step of the way - Life is often painful like that, and a lot of us call days that turn-out like so “well crap, I failed to die in my sleep yet again, didn’t I?”
I’ve also spent enough time around women who get upset with attractive and/or “under-dressed” women just for existing(IME, most of them), but only take it out on men and gossip behind closed doors, that I can promise you, no-one who pays-attention cares all-that-much about/for their verbal or visual disapproval. They are in the room with us right now, by the way, and this avoiding-their-ire-by-mansplaining to me look is winning you points with people you were better-off avoiding, but if that’s what you are into…
I’m not reading that or replying to you further. I sent a ten minute video to help you understand, you replied to me in less than a minute. You want to remain an incel brained red pill dumb ass that’s on you loser.
belatedly realizing you tried to use never having heard of watching youtube at triple-speed as a flex, and why not a peer-tube link? ^chef’s kiss^
Right. Refusing to read is the obviously-superior stance. Having experiences, in queer spaces no less, that don’t jive with your own, makes me aligned-with incels.
One of us wants women free to dress how they please, not feel bad about it, and not need to tell other women how to dress or put them down in order to feel good about it. Then there’s you, courting a bunch of NLOGs and female-dating-strategy burn-outs. Not wasting the time on that makes me the loser.
If you’re seeking a compaion for your former-incel-now-simp recovery group, ask someone else. I don’t associate with any of those crowds, least of all the celibate of any gender.
Stahp.
