I understand your confusion because I’m talking about both what the comic is depicting, and what REAL WOMEN in THE REAL WORLD have the freedom to say and do.
…but if you think the comics creator is trying to depict a gay man checking out someone’s style whilst the person next to them is expressing jealousy. Then I think you need your eyes checked.
That is NOT what the comic is about… And even if it were you’re skipping the fact that the conversation is about how media depictions (so yes, we are discussing the media) contains messages that effect women in the real world.
Also, policing and thinking about people’s gaze is part of social communication. Sarte writes about this in Being and Nothingness. If you watch this video you’ll see it’s about solitude and self, you too by feeling your natural gaze is being “policed” are ALSO experiencing “The Gaze” or “The Look”…
So you’re reacting to that policing which you feel “seen” by. You are probably a male (as I am), we both, I suspect, like looking at tits. I’m not trying to invalidate that process, the policing isn’t intended to stop that, it’s intended to get certain messages and social boundaries around that “corrected”.
… BECAUSE this comic, is a type of misinformation, where women are naturally contradictory, rather than their behavior being a construction and imposition of outside gender rules …which media like this, is propaganda to reinforce.
I think I’ve seen the things I’ve described happen with my own eyes. Yes, all of them, including gay men getting “shot down” only to reply to the other girl beside them “what? but she does! she has really nice tits!” …
… but as far as what the comic was ACTUALLY portraying, I made no claims besides the obvious fact that we don’t really know, beyond that details were specifically left-out or included for no other apparent reason than rage-baiting. Its a mad-lib/roll-your-own-humiliation of a scenario where evon IRL participants usually have no idea what just happened, what the other parties’ thoughts were. They just tell themselves a story where they were the hero or at worst, victim.
Also, people are inherrently contradictory. Its really amusing watching people claim strangers they don’t know, and fictional characters no less, are more consistent than that.
If she shot him a nasty look, I won’t argue that’s unwarrented or inappropriate, but that’s not what’s portrayed. I also tried to impy that most straight dudes don’t distinguish all that much between positive and negative attention from attractive women; Like, holy crap, she turned towards him and gave him an excuse to look again, and he’s somehow expected to actually feel bad about it? The woman with him feels worse, promise, than if nothing were said, whether she’s the judgy-type or not, but society says she should keep any male companions on a leash(which society again?).
That’s a big part of why I said its more than he deserved, and that the protaganist is working against her own intentions, even when it comes to shooting him down. She can be working-against her own intentions at every step of the way - Life is often painful like that, and a lot of us call days that turn-out like so “well crap, I failed to die in my sleep yet again, didn’t I?”
I’ve also spent enough time around women who get upset with attractive and/or “under-dressed” women just for existing(IME, most of them), but only take it out on men and gossip behind closed doors, that I can promise you, no-one who pays-attention cares all-that-much about/for their verbal or visual disapproval. They are in the room with us right now, by the way, and this avoiding-their-ire-by-mansplaining to me look is winning you points with people you were better-off avoiding, but if that’s what you are into…
I’m not reading that or replying to you further. I sent a ten minute video to help you understand, you replied to me in less than a minute. You want to remain an incel brained red pill dumb ass that’s on you loser.
Right. Refusing to read is the obviously-superior stance. Having experiences, in queer spaces no less, that don’t jive with your own, makes me aligned-with incels.
One of us wants women free to dress how they please, not feel bad about it, and not need to tell other women how to dress or put them down in order to feel good about it. Then there’s you, courting a bunch of NLOGs and female-dating-strategy burn-outs. Not wasting the time on that makes me the loser.
If you’re seeking a compaion for your former-incel-now-simp recovery group, ask someone else. I don’t associate with any of those crowds, least of all the celibate of any gender.
I understand your confusion because I’m talking about both what the comic is depicting, and what REAL WOMEN in THE REAL WORLD have the freedom to say and do.
…but if you think the comics creator is trying to depict a gay man checking out someone’s style whilst the person next to them is expressing jealousy. Then I think you need your eyes checked.
That is NOT what the comic is about… And even if it were you’re skipping the fact that the conversation is about how media depictions (so yes, we are discussing the media) contains messages that effect women in the real world.
Also, policing and thinking about people’s gaze is part of social communication. Sarte writes about this in Being and Nothingness. If you watch this video you’ll see it’s about solitude and self, you too by feeling your natural gaze is being “policed” are ALSO experiencing “The Gaze” or “The Look”…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5r-qoABSF9E
So you’re reacting to that policing which you feel “seen” by. You are probably a male (as I am), we both, I suspect, like looking at tits. I’m not trying to invalidate that process, the policing isn’t intended to stop that, it’s intended to get certain messages and social boundaries around that “corrected”.
… BECAUSE this comic, is a type of misinformation, where women are naturally contradictory, rather than their behavior being a construction and imposition of outside gender rules …which media like this, is propaganda to reinforce.
I think I’ve seen the things I’ve described happen with my own eyes. Yes, all of them, including gay men getting “shot down” only to reply to the other girl beside them “what? but she does! she has really nice tits!” …
… but as far as what the comic was ACTUALLY portraying, I made no claims besides the obvious fact that we don’t really know, beyond that details were specifically left-out or included for no other apparent reason than rage-baiting. Its a mad-lib/roll-your-own-humiliation of a scenario where evon IRL participants usually have no idea what just happened, what the other parties’ thoughts were. They just tell themselves a story where they were the hero or at worst, victim.
Also, people are inherrently contradictory. Its really amusing watching people claim strangers they don’t know, and fictional characters no less, are more consistent than that.
If she shot him a nasty look, I won’t argue that’s unwarrented or inappropriate, but that’s not what’s portrayed. I also tried to impy that most straight dudes don’t distinguish all that much between positive and negative attention from attractive women; Like, holy crap, she turned towards him and gave him an excuse to look again, and he’s somehow expected to actually feel bad about it? The woman with him feels worse, promise, than if nothing were said, whether she’s the judgy-type or not, but society says she should keep any male companions on a leash(which society again?).
That’s a big part of why I said its more than he deserved, and that the protaganist is working against her own intentions, even when it comes to shooting him down. She can be working-against her own intentions at every step of the way - Life is often painful like that, and a lot of us call days that turn-out like so “well crap, I failed to die in my sleep yet again, didn’t I?”
I’ve also spent enough time around women who get upset with attractive and/or “under-dressed” women just for existing(IME, most of them), but only take it out on men and gossip behind closed doors, that I can promise you, no-one who pays-attention cares all-that-much about/for their verbal or visual disapproval. They are in the room with us right now, by the way, and this avoiding-their-ire-by-mansplaining to me look is winning you points with people you were better-off avoiding, but if that’s what you are into…
I’m not reading that or replying to you further. I sent a ten minute video to help you understand, you replied to me in less than a minute. You want to remain an incel brained red pill dumb ass that’s on you loser.
belatedly realizing you tried to use never having heard of watching youtube at triple-speed as a flex, and why not a peer-tube link? ^chef’s kiss^
Right. Refusing to read is the obviously-superior stance. Having experiences, in queer spaces no less, that don’t jive with your own, makes me aligned-with incels.
One of us wants women free to dress how they please, not feel bad about it, and not need to tell other women how to dress or put them down in order to feel good about it. Then there’s you, courting a bunch of NLOGs and female-dating-strategy burn-outs. Not wasting the time on that makes me the loser.
If you’re seeking a compaion for your former-incel-now-simp recovery group, ask someone else. I don’t associate with any of those crowds, least of all the celibate of any gender.