yes some NATO bombs are necessary but many are also bad, some Israeli bombs may have been necessary in the past but are now overwhelmingly bad.

That’s what you said and that’s why I responded to.

But I did and you’re just pushing Western imperialist propaganda, what’s going on here? Israel is literally a Western colony that destabilises the rest of the region and is genociding the locals, the West has done nothing but terrorise the world for hundreds of years… Are you denying this or what?

Just 15172 civilians killed in Ukraine, according to UN, though. About 40k injured. That’s the lower estimate, yes, but, in comparison, the USA has committed more than 100k confirmed civilians kills in just Iraq alone.

Ok, some in Yemen and Somalia too, but Wikipedia claims the cost of life of the gwot was 4.5 million, and I’ve seen credible estimates as high as 6.

And I think in this situation we’d only really be comparing Ukrainian casualties to them.

You can just look up the numbers. This isn’t some secret knowledge. 400k civilians directly killed, on the low end, millions more dead from famine and displacement. Versus like 15-20k in Ukraine.

Not helping your credibility

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I’m glad it’s better over there, because in my [limited] friend group and family, nobody is pro-ukraine.

People in asia seem to have an infatuation with Russia even before the palestine issue became prominent. It’s sickening.

The only good thing about it I see is that it’s a necessary counter-balance against the US and its imperialism, perhaps.

What choice is there?

The large majority of them were born and raised there, and some of them truly want peace and prosperity. If their democracy were functioning well then cruel people like Netanyahu would not be able to cling to power for so long, and especially not after his trials.

To ask every Israeli to leave or die is not different than the gaza genocide.

Israel is a colonist entity just like the USA, Canada, Australia, new Zealand, Argentina, Brazil, etc etc. When the original Israelites arrived there thousands of years ago they colonised it and drove out whoever was there first, they were then driven out by the Arabs who were driven out by the Ottomans who were driven out by the British, who ceded it to the Arabs and Jews who will likely both get invaded by the Turks to “restore peace”. It’s a cursed piece of land. But, you can’t remove it, because the Israelis have hidden a bunch of nukes all around the world as an insurance policy.

Fun fact: In the 1950s, Zionists secretly performed terrorist attacks on Jewish synagogues and communities around the middle east. This was done in an effort to make them feel unsafe in Arab countries to promote migrations to the newly-formed country of Israel. Before this, Jewish people largely lived at peace alongside Muslims, as they were traditionally considered “People of the Book” due to their shared Abrahamic-religious background.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/iraq-jews-attacks-zionist-role-confirmed-operative-police-report

Edit: I only say this because I don’t believe ethnostates are necessary to protect groups of people, and I believe the “having nowhere else to go” mentality was intentionally manufactured. Furthermore, when these ethnostates claim ownership over a group of people and commit atrocities in the name of the ethnostate, that makes it more dangerous for that group of people to live peacefully elsewhere.

i think israel should also exist, its absolutely stupid to propose it be removed cause then you have the problem of a bunch of jews having nowhere to go again

And, more importantly, you lose the moral ground on which you get to protest the Palestinian genocide when you’re advocating for Israeli genocide.

(“you” here is “a person”, not you, @AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip)

On the other hand they should be sanctioned and stopped from commiting constant warcrimes and palestinians live their lives in their rightful territory

Absolutely agree. UN forces should secure the borders (as they were originally defined) and consider any settler a terrorist.

The russia situation is a bit different. Theres no real reason for its existance. Its a bunch of russians opressing minorities, they should have their own country if were following the ethnostate idea. At very least european and asian russia should be seperate countries. But yeah thats never happening.

Yup. I kind of hope that their economy crashing will allow the eastern provinces to reach independence, but at the same time I realise that it would be suicide for them. Like, even if they somehow managed to get the money and food to supply and govern themselves, there’s no reality in which China doesn’t immediately swoop in and grab half of Siberia.

Ah so you recognize antisemitism is real. Good for you. Do you also recognize that there’s a deliberate effort to make antisemitism acceptable by preemptively discrediting all claims of antisemitism?

That’s what the meme is about isn’t it? The point is that “it’s ok to say whatever you want, antisemitism isn’t real.” You’re being front loaded with the idea that if anyone says something is antisemitic that person should automatically be discredited.

If all accusations of antisemitism are false, that logically means antisemitism isn’t real.

A very insidious tactic they’re using here isn’t it?

How do you feel about the “sector of people” that supports the genocide of Jews? Sectors like Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, and the Ayatollah of Iran. Whoops, scratch that last one!

Yes, that sector.

In your mind: How many elementary schools can a nation bomb before we’re allowed to say that nation’s government is evil and should be eliminated?

Emphasis added.

Do you make a distinction between eliminating a nation’s government and a regime change?

Or were you just JAQing off there?

Do you think of the massacre of women and children to be a game? I consider the actions Hamas commuted on October 7 to be genocidal, not a game.

You a disgusting person to think of genocide as “a game.”