Remember boys and girls, if the bomb falls from the sky either from a plane or ridding the nosecone of a missile or is shot from the barrel of a tank, that is never Terrorism, it’s only Terrorism if it’s otherwise.
Only poors can do terrorism, silly!
Thats right. When a school or hospital is bombed its only terrorism if the bomb wasn’t made by a fortune 500 company.
Clearly it’s a peace negotiation
ABAB: All Bombs Are Bastards
alternatively
ABAB: Assigned Bomb At Birth
For as long as Russia is willing to use bombs to steal land, Europe needs bombs. Obviously.
But didn’t you know that war is very bad? So we need to completely disarm ourselves, and pretend a rouge state like Russia don’t have ambitions for territorial conquests. Even if they have, we will have the moral superiority of having the moral high ground!
👏 They 👏 go 👏 low, 👏 we 👏 go 👏 high!
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Ayo where the fuck is my horny posting?!
I love how “I fucked your mom” is just too straight and real for Lemmy.
I might be an old straight guy, but I can appreciate keeping it fake & gay around here. 🫡
here’s my cat doing a slutty pose
Me-ow
There’s a sub for that
Thanks for the cat pic, now this pic is mine. What do you call this monster?
Also, that last bomb should have a sponsored by the USA logo.
Americans jumping in calling Israel out are hilarious, you guys are the main source of terror, don’t act like you’re on the right side of this. Go fix your dumpster fire, leave this one to people who aren’t being led by a pedo psychopath. The last thing the free Palestine movement needs is Americans cheapening it.
Many of us want to change it, but we are cattle in the eyes of our government with no real power to change it - though we’re doing our damndest in spite of that.
Second amendment
You’re going to get called a Chinese bot account for this
Good meme, but wrong place, mate.
Either they’re all ironic and OP sides with Russa over Ukraine or none of them are ironic and OP sides with Israel.
I don’t like it. Fuck Netanyahu and Fuck Russia.
I absolutely and unequivocally side with Palestine (half of my family is Palestinian) and Ukraine.
It’s jokes. It’s a shitposting group. I shitposted.
I do not stand with Russia or Israel. Both of those regimes go against everything that means basically anything to me. They are evil, along with the USA, which I live in unfortunately.
WTF
I’m glad I’m finally seeing someone else that’s actually both pro-palestine AND pro-ukraine for once. It’s usually mutually exclusive — I don’t understand why. Literally every single pro-palestine person I’ve seen otherwise has been pretty vocally anti-Ukraine.
That’s mostly the internet though. If I talk to my friends and almost all my colleagues, they overwhelmingly and strongly hold these two views.
For instance, at the lunch table at work (about 8 ppl there, somewhere in Europe, during a discussion about Trump) I uttered the phrase “I think we need to start viewing the US as an enemy state under the current administration”, fully expecting to set off a fierce discussion. Instead everyone was like, “yup, sounds about right” and carried on with their lunch.
Point is: talk to people outside the internet and they may surprise you.
I’m glad it’s better over there, because in my [limited] friend group and family, nobody is pro-ukraine.
I do realise that I’m inside a different kind of social bubble and that not everyone is like that, and I’m sorry to hear that yours doesn’t align with your views. But they are out there!
Yeah I think it’s due to Russian influence on social media. Hamas were used by Russia to weaken a key US Ally. So Russia has always pushed pro palestinian talking points which makes them Saints in some people’s eyes.
Fuck Russia and fuck Israel. May fascists die a painfull death everywhere.
People in asia seem to have an infatuation with Russia even before the palestine issue became prominent. It’s sickening.
The only good thing about it I see is that it’s a necessary counter-balance against the US and its imperialism, perhaps.
Yes, I suppose it’s better than them uniting against the democratic world.
Everyday I see tankie posts and it’s often the same scam: “america bad” (okay) “hence russia and china good”
Your post could be interpreted as such, especially on Lemmy
Fuck Israel as a whole too why just Netanyahu?
Like 78% of Israel.
Israel is a colonialist entity committing crimes against humanity such as but not limited to genocide and apartheid fuck 100% the entire concept of it.
That being said 9s after posting this comment I already have one upvote? Wondering if the admins can check what’s happening with the votes because as much as I believe I’m right I do also think there’s a lot of vote manipulation and propaganda accounts in here.
What choice is there?
The large majority of them were born and raised there, and some of them truly want peace and prosperity. If their democracy were functioning well then cruel people like Netanyahu would not be able to cling to power for so long, and especially not after his trials.
To ask every Israeli to leave or die is not different than the gaza genocide.
Well just because apartheid south Africa or nazi Germany got dismantled it doesn’t mean that everyone living there suddenly ceased to exist.
A state is an imaginary construct and as such can cease to exist without the actual human being‘s phyiscal existence being affected by that.
It’s a logical fallacy to equate these two things and justify the existence of a settler colonial entity through that.
“The entire concept of” South Africa and Germany still exist. The comment you made above says
Israel is a colonialist entity committing crimes against humanity such as but not limited to genocide and apartheid fuck 100% the entire concept of it.
Implying you think it and its people should stop existing.
Yes, but only one of the two is happening irl, the other one is a hypothetical.
Also hippies protested more in the USA against Vietnam killings. I’m not sure what options they have in Israel, but I never heard about mass opposition to what their country & taxes are doing.
And the people do bare some responsibly for what their country is doing - it’s more than just participating in a society to survive when you are living well & not in a warzone.
For you to say “I want to eradicate this people” is not nuanced based on which people are currently being eradicated. It’s just a stupid and hateful opinion.
Israel is a colonist entity just like the USA, Canada, Australia, new Zealand, Argentina, Brazil, etc etc. When the original Israelites arrived there thousands of years ago they colonised it and drove out whoever was there first, they were then driven out by the Arabs who were driven out by the Ottomans who were driven out by the British, who ceded it to the Arabs and Jews who will likely both get invaded by the Turks to “restore peace”. It’s a cursed piece of land. But, you can’t remove it, because the Israelis have hidden a bunch of nukes all around the world as an insurance policy.
I don’t interpret this in either of the ways you suggest. I interpret the image as a whole as ironic:
OP is paraphrasing people that claim “Russia bombing people is bad, but the US bombing people is good, and by the way Israel is above all criticism and you’re an antisemite for suggesting otherwise”, and pointing out the hypocrisy in that claim. I think OP is against wars of aggression in general, and is pointing out that the US and Israel are behaving the same way as Russia when they go bombing people “preemptively”, and that being the aggressor in a war is always bad, regardless of who you are.
THANK YOU. That is exactly what was meant by this. It’s a critique towards Israel and war itself, and in no way was meant to show support for the US, Israel or Russia. Fuck all of those countries’ governments.
It’s super hard to joke on Lemmy lately, everyone is srs af
That’s not the US Flag.
Fuck Russia.
You correct, it’s the NATO flag, so you can replace “US” with “NATO” in my comment and my original point still stands. I wrote “US”, because they’re the only NATO member currently bombing someone in a war of aggression.
You are crazy.
fuck all govs. fuck israel separately because it’s not a real country.
Opposing all governments topples none of them.
I just interpreted as a meme criticising how people automatically side with the “good side” whether it is actually good or just a puppet state that has to win. Ukraine is actually the good side and accidentally the west supports it. Palestine is actually the good side but they got unlucky and the west supports israel. If anyone is sane, ukraine and palestine both deserve peace because an agressor attacked them and theyre just defending themselves but in the west the narrative kind of conflicts itself cause they support ukraine and israel.
This is somehow controversial, but I firmly believe that all of them, Ukraine, Palestine, Israel, Iran, everyone else, deserves an independent nation free of totalitarian dictators or religious fundamentalists.
I agree that ethnostates are required today because its the only way to protect a group of people. Ideally ethnostates wouldnt have to be a thing. With how things are now, i think israel should also exist, its absolutely stupid to propose it be removed cause then you have the problem of a bunch of jews having nowhere to go again, and also a lot of the people there have never known a different home than israel. On the other hand they should be sanctioned and stopped from commiting constant warcrimes and palestinians live their lives in their rightful territory. The russia situation is a bit different. Theres no real reason for its existance. Its a bunch of russians opressing minorities, they should have their own country if were following the ethnostate idea. At very least european and asian russia should be seperate countries. But yeah thats never happening.
Fun fact: In the 1950s, Zionists secretly performed terrorist attacks on Jewish synagogues and communities around the middle east. This was done in an effort to make them feel unsafe in Arab countries to promote migrations to the newly-formed country of Israel. Before this, Jewish people largely lived at peace alongside Muslims, as they were traditionally considered “People of the Book” due to their shared Abrahamic-religious background.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/iraq-jews-attacks-zionist-role-confirmed-operative-police-report
Edit: I only say this because I don’t believe ethnostates are necessary to protect groups of people, and I believe the “having nowhere else to go” mentality was intentionally manufactured. Furthermore, when these ethnostates claim ownership over a group of people and commit atrocities in the name of the ethnostate, that makes it more dangerous for that group of people to live peacefully elsewhere.
i think israel should also exist, its absolutely stupid to propose it be removed cause then you have the problem of a bunch of jews having nowhere to go again
And, more importantly, you lose the moral ground on which you get to protest the Palestinian genocide when you’re advocating for Israeli genocide.
(“you” here is “a person”, not you, @AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip)
On the other hand they should be sanctioned and stopped from commiting constant warcrimes and palestinians live their lives in their rightful territory
Absolutely agree. UN forces should secure the borders (as they were originally defined) and consider any settler a terrorist.
The russia situation is a bit different. Theres no real reason for its existance. Its a bunch of russians opressing minorities, they should have their own country if were following the ethnostate idea. At very least european and asian russia should be seperate countries. But yeah thats never happening.
Yup. I kind of hope that their economy crashing will allow the eastern provinces to reach independence, but at the same time I realise that it would be suicide for them. Like, even if they somehow managed to get the money and food to supply and govern themselves, there’s no reality in which China doesn’t immediately swoop in and grab half of Siberia.
As a Russian, I’m very proud of the Russian bomb name
To those who’ve down voted this,why if I may ask? Genuinely curious
Because it’s short-sighted and ridiculous. Yes Russia bombs are bad, yes some NATO bombs are necessary but many are also bad, some Israeli bombs may have been necessary in the past but are now overwhelmingly bad.
This is dumb “tankie” talk that tries to push people into corners that are comfortable for the OP so that they don’t have to use their brain and think about whether people’s world views may be more complex and (eep!) sometimes more well-thought of than their own simplistic view of “NATO bad - Communism good”.
And lastly, as many posts on here, it simply reeks of anti-western propaganda.
But this is literally how western media and leaders are portraying this. All bombs are bad, NATO or Russia or China or Iran or Israel I don’t care. And fuck Israeli bombs in particular where and why would bombs by a colonial entity committing genocide ever be necessary wtf?
It’s just American, Israeli and other (extreme) right wing media. So it’s not “western media”.
And no, bombs on an actual terrorist’s head are good bombs. A bomb on Hitler’s ass (like the attempted “Valkyrie” bombing) would have been a damn near perfect bomb.
And as for the Israeli bombs – and as I told the other guy – try to read what I actually said and not what you expect to read based on your prejudices.
yes some NATO bombs are necessary but many are also bad, some Israeli bombs may have been necessary in the past but are now overwhelmingly bad.
That’s what you said and that’s why I responded to.
And where did it say the genocide bombs are good exactly?
some pissrahelli bombs were necessary in the past
there
I know what I wrote, which, incidentally, is not that.
But no, not there. Try again.
Lol Israeli and NATO bombs were necessary? Man, may God forgive you for your lack of humanity and overall ignorance.
Try to read the sentence again. Slowly.
But I did and you’re just pushing Western imperialist propaganda, what’s going on here? Israel is literally a Western colony that destabilises the rest of the region and is genociding the locals, the West has done nothing but terrorise the world for hundreds of years… Are you denying this or what?
Western imperialist propaganda,
Ok, tankie.
I know you just learned this word and are very excited to use it but try to stay on topic.
Ok, tankie.
It’s nice to see that Lemmy is about 3/5 sane people, based on the upvote/downvote ratio here.
I didn’t, but I’m assuming they just haven’t heard anyone say that it’s good to be nuked by NATO.
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Russian bombs are bad not because of the flag, but because they consistently target civilians indiscriminately. Plus the whole invading a neighbor, murdering the people and stealing the land.
Say what you want about Bush, even that war criminal didn’t go as far.
Say what you want about Bush, even that war criminal didn’t go as far.
Genuinely not defending Russia here, but Dubya’s pretext for invading Iraq and Afghanistan was if anything even flimsier than the “justification” for the Ukraine invasion, and that war killed way more people, civilians and not.
The estimates I’ve seen are 300.000 killed in Iraq. There’s more Russians killed alone than that, let alone Ukrainian military and civilian casualties…
Just 15172 civilians killed in Ukraine, according to UN, though. About 40k injured. That’s the lower estimate, yes, but, in comparison, the USA has committed more than 100k confirmed civilians kills in just Iraq alone.
Ok, some in Yemen and Somalia too, but Wikipedia claims the cost of life of the gwot was 4.5 million, and I’ve seen credible estimates as high as 6.
And I think in this situation we’d only really be comparing Ukrainian casualties to them.
and that war killed way more people, civilians and not.
No it fucking didn’t. The completely delusional claim of yours is a good example of why this blanket statement is so stupid.
You can just look up the numbers. This isn’t some secret knowledge. 400k civilians directly killed, on the low end, millions more dead from famine and displacement. Versus like 15-20k in Ukraine.
Say what you want about Bush, even that war criminal didn’t go as far.
Any point you might’ve had about land acquisition, separatism, or imperialism, is pretty hard invalidated by this comparison. Like, why add Bush as a qualifier?
To prevent tankies from accusing me of US bias.
Not helping your credibility
Said the tankie…
Yes, and as usual the tankie is correct
Said the tankie…
Russian bombs are bad not because of the flag, but because they consistently target civilians indiscriminately
Bush, even that war criminal didn’t go as far
Could you provide us what numeric estimates you’re using for both conflicts?
I did in another comment…
Then copy paste them
Too lazy
Ok NAFO troll
That’s new…
Can’t get healthcare but we can get bombs… 🤦
Aggressive bomb definitely bad, defensive bomb probably impossible, preemptive bomb difficult to distinguish from aggressive bomb
Oops, all bad bombs.
Lmao
Top of the bell curve shit post. I’d argue about operation noble anvil but, that would put me at the bottom of the curve.
I’m still about to see what’s up with that operation tho.
It’s the only time I defend NATO as an institution for defending a marginalized group.
Am I right? Fuck if I know but at least I believe in something.
They did not defend a marginalized group. they needed a Balkan country for a military base (and other pedophilic needs for your masters), so they made one up. Once this base is not needed, you and your fellow Americans will forget that these made-up marginalized groups ever existed.
That’s a whole ass hour dog. Can I get a too long didn’t watch?
Stay away from it. There’s so much more meaningful YT shorts and TikToks for your attention span and learning disability.
Bet.
