• thevoidzero@lemmy.world
      2·
      1 day ago

      Where are my people? And how do I find them? I feel like finding just one like me to spend live with took all the luck I had. Now we’re just weird with no other friends like us

      • electric_nan@lemmy.ml
        2·
        1 day ago

        It’s not easy, I’m sorry to say. Sometimes it’s easier online. Offline can depend a lot on your location. Even in a city it takes a lot of effort on your part. Put yourself out there, join clubs or political organizations. Maybe even something you don’t already know you like. If there really isn’t anything out there, try to start something! I’m currently trying to start a couple clubs. I’m not advertising too publicly, since I want to be a little more selective. When I meet people I think might be into it, I invite them to the Signal chat where I organize meetups.

  • eronth@lemmy.world
    7·
    2 days ago

    I want to keep living in society. I just want to live in a society that doesn’t have the current cancer we’re seeing.

  • volore@scribe.disroot.org
    59·
    3 days ago

    if I could just exist in a room with my things and a pet dog forever (or just the rest of my natural life) and never interact with another human being ever again, I would jump at the chance. The social contract I have been forced to participate in merely by being born – one in which I have to pay money to live (read: live normally. yes, you can live off the land off the grid in the middle of buttfuck nowhere, this does not make it a practical solution for everyone and their grandmother), unlike every other living creature on this planet, in a world of adversarial sociopaths controlling 99.9% of said money – I would have chosen not to sign had I had the opportunity. The juice is simply not worth the squeeze, not in this world, not for me in this life.

    • tomiant@piefed.socialEnglish
      4·
      2 days ago

      Absolutely rational take, in my opinion. Social contract has been broken, I feel no obligation at all fulfilling my end of the deal. As far as I’m concerned me and society have separated but still have to live under the same roof, for now.

    • Tja@programming.dev
      8·
      3 days ago

      Every other creature lives exactly like you described you don’t want to live: off the land, off grid, in the middle of nowhere.

      What you want is all the comforts of society (running potable water, sewage systems, electricity, internet, Uber eats, heating, A/C, firefighters, roads, etc) without any of the obligations.

      The winderness is out there, be free!

      • volore@scribe.disroot.org
        6·
        3 days ago

        yeah but it’s almost like those comforts and services of modern society should be able to still be performed without trying to extract value for shareholders and we just choose not to because line go up make (rich) monkey brain happy. I believe there are, in fact, plenty of people willing to do the things that make the world run, completely for free, if only we did not operate on a global system that enriches shareholders, executives and politicians while paying the people doing the actual work a pittance and forcing them to struggle to survive.

        And let’s be very clear about what your definition of “obligations to society” is – busting your ass creating value that is extracted from you for ~40 years for comparatively dogshit pay on the tenuous promise of retirement somewhere down the line, a promise that is actively being taken back by the upper class. Now, you work until you die unless you’re very, very lucky. I don’t find that a very compelling or fair deal, and if you do, would you be interested in purchasing a bridge?

      • osanna@lemmy.vgEnglish
        2·
        2 days ago

        Same, but my cats instead.

        I am not suicidal. I just don’t give a fuck if I wake up dead one day.

      • volore@scribe.disroot.org
        22·
        3 days ago

        there’s a reason my username is shortened from the latin for “I want to leave”. I don’t necessarily want to die, I just don’t want to be here anymore. Unfortunately for us both, leaving society as a whole without dying is rather difficult.

        • mydoomlessaccount@infosec.pub
          8·
          3 days ago

          Lately, I’ve been rationalizing it as “I don’t want to die, I want to WANT to live.”

          Still figuring out how to make it happen, but at least now I’ve got a catchy slogan for it

          • tomiant@piefed.socialEnglish
            1·
            2 days ago

            I feel like one of those Chinese bears they keep in concrete cages to milk for bile.

            Therapy and a more positive outlook on life is not gonna solve my problems.

            • Tonava@sopuli.xyz
              1·
              2 days ago

              Therapy and a more positive outlook on life is not gonna solve my problems.

              All therapy did for me was make me tired of talking. Sometimes things are just so fucked up there’s no solution, yet we keep struggling like rats drowning in a bucket

              • tomiant@piefed.socialEnglish
                1·
                20 hours ago

                It helped me insomuch as it helped me verbalize my grievances. Did shit to address them, only I can do that, and I can’t do shit about them.

        • Bloomcole@lemmy.world
          2·
          3 days ago

          You can, unless your teeth or something else becomes a health problem you can’t fix.
          That really is the most important thing stopping me even if there’s but a small chance this will happen.
          It’s a game of luck, you could live to 90 if you go to a fertile area without extreme conditions.
          I’m sure there’s plenty of those people out there.
          You obviously won’t hear them or of them.
          And you can get a disease while in society and still die because there is no cure.

    • blarghly@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      3 days ago

      If this is true, why are you here on lemmy, leaving comments and interacting with society?

      • volore@scribe.disroot.org
        28·
        3 days ago

        to add to what @Kaerkob@lemmy.world said: because here, I get to decide exactly how much interacting with people I’m willing to engage in and have multiple ways of controlling who I do so with (blocking certain instances so I don’t see their posts, blocking smartassed trolls, etc.)

        • tomiant@piefed.socialEnglish
          2·
          2 days ago

          I love this comic so fucking much, it perfectly encapsulates that dude, his ilk, and their mentality.

        • blarghly@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          3 days ago

          I get to decide exactly how much interacting with people I’m willing to engage in and have multiple ways of controlling who I do so with

          You just described hanging out with friends

          • Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            7·
            3 days ago

            Not really, though… There’s all kinds of social rules to follow and if you’re hosting people, while potentially valid, if you at one point just say “alright, everyone out, I’ve had enough” you ruin it for all the people who wanted to hang out.

            If you go on a asynchronous anonymous online forum, you can stop interacting at any point for any reason and everyone will be fine with it and not care.

            • Tja@programming.dev
              3·
              3 days ago

              Well, then you don’t invite them to your house, you hang out anywhere else in the world and when you are tired you say “alright, I’m gonna head home, have a good one everyone”. Like a normal person, you know?

              • Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                4·
                3 days ago

                Let’s just be normal real quick :D

                It doesn’t matter where you are. When you go to another place it’s the same, you are not at home instantly when you start to leave, you have to ride buses and trains where there is more people.

  • Crt_static@lemmy.world
    23·
    3 days ago

    I sleep 18 hours a day and haven’t been outside in months, save an emergency hospital visit where my DNR was ignored. I don’t smoke this fentanyl on accident and these crooks keep reviving me

  • biggerbogboy@sh.itjust.works
    4·
    1 day ago

    Have you tried reminiscing of a void instead, which lacks any sensory input or memories, but includes full awareness, which happened to be your first ever conscious experience? Wait, that’s just me? Oh.

  • renegadespork@lemmy.jelliefrontier.netEnglish
    22·
    3 days ago

    I get this sentiment, but the best way to combat this feeling is to build community.

    Get to know the people around you. It starts small by just ditching the headphones in public and saying hello (and maybe some small talk) every time you encounter someone. Then start offering and accepting help, plan events, and keep track of their life milestones. People will be so pleasantly surprised when you remember things about their lives.

    And you will probably be surprised at how many interesting people you pass by every day while keeping your head down. Over time, some of them will begin to reciprocate. Remember, they are probably also starved for community.

    Capitalism wants us isolated, sad, and reliant on their products/services. The antidote is strong community.

      • renegadespork@lemmy.jelliefrontier.netEnglish
        9·
        3 days ago

        It’s actually fewer steps. Society is just late-stage community.

        Our brains evolved for living in groups of ~30-100 people. These communities are small enough to all know and support each other through life’s inevitable struggles. A healthy society is made up of thousands of these smaller, tight-knit communities, not just millions of individuals.

        Our brains are not happy alone—not for extended periods. Reducing all our social interaction to anonymous chats (like this one) and passing hundreds of nameless faces does not fulfill your social needs and will leave you feeling lonely.

        It is work, and you will encounter people that suck and/or won’t reciprocate, but if you keep at it, good people will reveal themselves. I promise it’s worth it.

        • Prathas@lemmy.zip
          1·
          2 days ago

          This is the way.

          This is also how Mormon churches work, last I checked; they’re called “wards,” and when a single ward grows to >500 members, they split off into two wards, to make sure everyone knows each other decently enough (probably to make sure they’re all tithing regularly and crap, but without such a sinister agenda, that can legitimately be a beautiful thing).

        • Boomer Humor Doomergod@lemmy.worldEnglish
          8·
          3 days ago

          I’ve been told that humans need community and social contact, but when I was living in the woods for 18 months, only really interacting with my remote coworkers, and spending my time doing yard work and home improvement I was at my happiest and healthiest.

          Honestly, even seeing hundreds of people a day is my idea of hell.

          • Prathas@lemmy.zip
            1·
            2 days ago

            You don’t need to know well all those dozens of people; it’s just more about not being total strangers. We would ideally have 1-3 very close friends and then a slightly wider circle of the next ring, and so on.

            I would say your level of exclusivity is very rare. Few people can tolerate that little contact for that long. There is certainly a middle ground for everyone’s satisfaction and it’s great that you found yours but the majority of friendless society is lonely. Maybe you jive with your remote coworkers more than other people do with their regular company.

    • vapordays@leminal.spaceEnglish
      1·
      2 days ago

      Capitalism wants us isolated, sad, and reliant on their products/services. The antidote is strong community.

      I whole-heartedly agree, and yet it is virtually impossible to do such a thing as “build community” at this point, at least in the United States. There is like a pervasive anti-community dark magic / anti-matter sort of thing

    • dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world
      1·
      2 days ago

      Capitalism wants us isolated, sad, and reliant on their products/services. The antidote is strong community.

      Thank you. This is what I’ve been telling people. I’m currently trying to build community as we speak - so far, it’s great. But a lot of people are set in a more isolated mindset, so it’s tough to “jailbreak” people out of this.

  • Lexam@lemmy.worldEnglish
    16·
    3 days ago

    You don’t have to. You can literally just walk off into a forest. It probably won’t turn out well, but you can still do it.

    • Perky@fedia.io
      30·
      3 days ago

      Sorry, that forest is owned by a corporation and you’re trespassing. The angry men with guns are here to see you out.

      • Tja@programming.dev
        2·
        3 days ago

        Even in the US the majority of forests are owned by the government and accessible to people. In Europe you can roam even in private forests (right to roam). Otherwise, Canada, Alaska or Siberia are big enough that no one will ever find you.

    • chunes@lemmy.world
      5·
      3 days ago

      Depending on what country you live in, you can’t, actually.

      My father worked for the U.S. forest service and part of his job was kicking people off of wilderness and national forest land.

      • tomiant@piefed.socialEnglish
        2·
        22 hours ago

        I listened to a documentary about that Grizzly Man dude who got eaten by bears in… Alaska, I want to say. Maybe it’s different between states, but they had a rule there that you need to move along once a week if you’re camping.

        • chunes@lemmy.world
          2·
          12 hours ago

          Yup. Where I grew up it was two weeks.

          That said, as long as you lay low, be careful about any campfires, etc. you can likely hide for a very long time.

          • tomiant@piefed.socialEnglish
            1·
            1 hour ago

            For sure. I mean in the end I think that rule is for your own safety and to make sure you don’t disturb nature too much or make it inaccessible to others by hogging spots.

            Even in the documentary, the dude had a harangue about someone having left a note at his camp, like, “See you next year!” which was obviously meant as a well intentioned “Hey, we know who you are, we know you’re here, we’re not gonna make you move, please be careful <3 / Park Management” which the dude interpreted as a threat and an act of hostility but the dude was not right in the head and he got ate by bears and I have no clue why I am talking to you about this.

            :)