How bad do we let things get? Should we wait until the planet can’t sustain life anymore? Should we wait until it’s 100 degrees F in the Artic? Until wildfires blanket entire continents or the last glacier is gone? Should we wait until fascist billionaires take even more from us? Until there are Flock cameras at every mail box? Maybe we should wait until the wells run dry or the tornadoes never stop. When is it going to be enough? I’m so tired of seeing things getting worse. Every. Single. Day. I’m ready. I’ve been ready. How about you?
How do we coordinate? How do we look after each other? What is the signal? If we don’t work together then we are just continuing our slow march to destruction to the drum of the parasitic billionaires. Please, for us, for the cats, the dogs, the birds and trees. The fish and the whales, the beatles and the centipedes. Please tell me it’s worth it to you, that you’re willing to get uncomfortable, that you’re willing to fight. There are more of us than them, and we are rapidly running out of time to make that mean something.
until it’s 100 degrees F in the Artic
that was 6 years ago:
https://www.livescience.com/un-confirms-arctic-hottest-temperatureI guess we should wait for 110 degrees then.
Don’t look on the internet, you won’t find the community you’re looking for here. Find the coolest candidate running in your local area and volunteer for their campaign. Even if they kinda suck, show up for their events. You aren’t there to meet the candidate, you’re there to meet other people who care about their community. Talk to the other volunteers. You’ll be surprised at who you meet.
This is a good approach, thank you for the suggestion.
If anything is done it’s done offline. The best way to fight back is to build community and solidarity. Meet your neighbors, volunteer, get out there off the computer.
Some places don’t have a lot of third spaces unfortunately
Computer can help with spreading the word for said meetups
That’s how we get COINTEL on your ass. Any open rebellion is useless.
It’s why I’m going for the legal way, will at least give them some pain.
I know I’ll get downvoted for this, but…Lemmy and related are an “echo-chamber” of sorts. You’ll find that a vast amount of people “in the real world” don’t share this sort of imminently apocalyptic mentality. I really mean no offense in my phrasing and I’m not trying to shit on anyone here. It’s just the way things are.
I remember being almost surprised at how “normal” life was when I first moved to a place that had polar opposite political views than me. Life went on…in mostly the same way it did when I was surrounded by people who mostly shared my ideologies. Life goes on…especially in the western world. Even in different parts of the US, it’s a far cry from some place like Somalia or Iran or Israel/Palestine or North Korea.
Idk. Sorry I got a bit rambly. Suffice to say that I don’t think you’re ever going to find what you seek.
I don’t think that’s entirely accurate. I try to talk to people every day about the greed of billionaires, the invasion of our privacy, the fascist takeover of the US government and the actions of ICE, and the horrible state of our climate. And I’ve yet to have anyone argue against me in real life. If anything, it’s worse on lemmy. We can do something about this, but we have to do it together, and that doesn’t happen without talking to people face to face. So many people know the situation is terrible, but feel completely helpless. We have to support each other so they see they aren’t alone.
Life goes on…
… until it doesn’t.
or, one could say life goes on even in mad max world
Your fellow countrymen are rounding up people of colour and putting them in concentration camps and you’re right that, for you, life goes on.
I know I’ll get downvoted for this, but…Lemmy and related are an “echo-chamber” of sorts. You’ll find that a vast amount of people “in the real world” don’t share this sort of imminently apocalyptic mentality.
Not really sure about the echo-chamber thing though, but I feel like most people outside the Fediverse only doomscroll “brain-rot” content on social media.
Politics, climate change, science, Star Wars/Trek, programming, GNU/Linux, etc, are such niche topics that don’t drive that much interest, unless it’s rage-bait.
You want to riot to fix climate change? Ok, let’s say you will get everyone to riot, abolish the government and kill the elites. What will you do next to solve climate change?
Ban* cars? People will be against it. Ban beef? People will be against it. Ban air travel? You guessed it, people will be against it. Majority of people support measures that they think will not affect them like carbon taxes and renewable energy but if you look at actual, consumer level changes you will see a big drop. Only 34% of drivers support ban on ICE cars.
Look how much people bitch about paper straws. You think they will agree to actually limiting CO2 emissions by using less energy, traveling less, eating less meat and buying less useless stuff? The problem are not just the the elites and the billionaires. WE are the problem.
10% richest people account for half of the emissions. To be in the top 10% you have to make over $30k a year. To stop climate change pretty much everyone on lemmy would have to agree to big sacrifices. Are you ready to significantly lower your quality of life or you just want to riot because you think it will help you save it?
*By ban I mean limit by making more expensive.
Effective leadership is necessary to accomplish these things. People didn’t like it when leaded gas was banned, or asbestos. People hated seat belts and life jackets. Sometimes the government has to operate against the will of some people for the good of all people.
oil/gas already pacified protests, demostration agains global warming for a while now. they funded all these companies so they dont have to , plus they fund the protests themselves that vandalize publicproperty to get the public to side against them.
most countries have given up on climate change, with all the propaganda that the oil/gas pushed helped too. deforestation is a big problem in tropical areas, where the biodiversity is very high, and not because of the “charismatic megafauna” , theres a group of types plants that are extremely susceptible as they usually only found in one or few locations(mycohetereotrophs) and are easily extirpated or extinct, if you even disturb that small area of the forest.(see americas own Thismia species, people have been trying to find this rare plant for 100+years). there is a related on in japan, that was though to have been extinct for 30 years only to be rediscovered.
They’ve given up because we’ve allowed them to do so. Complacency is our worst enemy here, and the people that stand to profit from further polluting our planet know that they just need to wait for the masses to turn away for them to continue pillagingour future. We can’t turn away, we have to be resilient, and we have to work together.
you’re a minority
drill baby drill
clean coal
windmills are for losers
that’s what the majority of you want and the message your people bring to the world
you’re talking about a revolution but ignore the voice of the people
I’m not ignoring the voice of the people, I am of the people, and so are you. The media may parade around the types that support the billionaire agenda, but that doesn’t mean we all, or even mostly feel this way. As things get worse, the group ofpeople that want to burn more oil will get smaller and smaller. Maybe never zero, but that’s not necessary. We only need enough to galvanize support for a social mandate.
Historically speaking, the riots start when the bread runs out.
But they could eat cake…?
if you are ml it’s a constant riot
9 meals away
Which IMO is going to happen in the USA before 2028. Their dependance on food imports and climate change interrupting the food supply is only half of it. The other half is that they’ve isolated themselves economically both trade and labour wise.
The US is one of the biggest exporters of food in the world and while it would definitely change what we eat and when, the idea that the bread runs out anytime soon is actually insane nonsense. 2038, fucking maybe. But in a little over a year? We’d need multiple blights and animal plagues that sweep across the country killing everything, and that’s more of a “global apocalypse” scenario. And yes global warming bad but also, the US has a lot of land and like 90% of it is not in use. There will be places to farm, even if the place changes.
I think a more realistic prediction is like… 2045-2060 and honestly, I’m not sure it’ll matter much.
90% is not in use for a reason. Even if 5% can still be started for agriculture, nature doesn’t instant-produce food. Field cultivation often takes multiple years.
You’re forgetting the US is no longer a democracy. This is the last emperor on the throne right now, running a kleptocracy to the tune of billions. To keep control he installed the certifiable most incompetent people in his ‘cabinet’. None of these care about the country or its people.
They were installed by a foreign influence and their job is to dismantle the country. This level of burocratic incompetence will reign till the end of the nation, probably in less than 10 years.
2045 is bad for the entire world, the US will be far sooner.
They are an insanely divided nation in the middle of an empire level collapse. They are a violent people. Their civil war which has started with ICE wil only get worse, their oilgargy only making life less tennable for so many.
You will have riots and strikes, and essentially just people shooting each other. It’s already happening but tuned out of the media for now. But it’ll get worse, and at some point a prolific tiktoker or youtuber will livestream something nearby and that will be an accelerator.
There are already thousands of americans that have to choose between getting medical care or food. Thousands more that have to choose between feeding themselves or their children.
There is no scenario in which the USA survives the next 10 years.
I’m sorry but, this is all so fucking unrealistic and doomer its unreal.
First of all, I live in the US. I have seen ICE and how communities comes together first hand. Fuck off with this “Americans are violent people” rhetoric.
I’m not saying its gonna be sunshine and roses, but the scenarios you are describing are functionally impossible to occur without genuine global cataclysm and then we have bigger things to worry about.
“There’s no scenario in which the us survives the next 10 years.”
democracy in the us? sure, maybe, arguably its already gone.
the us itself? Of course it’ll be around in ten years lmfao?? Things would have to get so much worse in the next 10 years it would break records on how fast nations collapse.
These are insane predictions that have no historical or factual basis for why they would happen at the speed you suggest.
Yeah my guy can’t even spell bureaucrat or oligarchy, I don’t think political science is their forte.
Being in the US isn’t giving you better data, if anything it makes you emotionally attached and blind to the obvious. Humans are the same. We often know our friends a lot better than they know themselves. I understand you don’t want this to happen, but not wanting it doesn’t mean it won’t happen.
There is massive historic precedence. The roman empire to name one. Except never before has an empire collapse overlapped with the fastest recorded ecocide and environmental collapse.
You may not be aware of all the datasets I’m aware of. It sounds like doomer, but it is data based so it unfortunately just is doom. Hard to grasp, I know, it’s why people with terminal illnesses also stay around as long as possible.
The USA will be there in 10 years, but it won’t be called that, and won’t have any of the respect and glory it still has some of today. It’s not a country. It’s more like a european union that falls apart as soon as things start getting tough. Your very demented pedophile president is personally directing FEMA to withhold disaster relief to blue states. That can’t last another 10 years, let alone 5. Not with the disasters scheduled in the next 3 years. States will simple secede from the union, and as resources will be scarce, war will be inevitable.
Never before in history has the ruling empire by both capital and military might waged a war against it’s own people, whilst very carelessly trying to light a match to the middle east and south america and soon parts of europe, whilst also diplomatically and economically alienate all its former allies with erratic tariffs, whilst ignoring both its own domestic rule of law as well as the international one. Smarter dictators started wars with foreign nations as a way to unify their people and bolster nationalism, this regime is only trying to make the oligarchs who installed it wealthier.
10 years is a short time for a nation to collapse, true. But you didn’t start collapsing today either, my American friend. I wish you all the best.
Dependence on food imports? The US is a large net food exporter. And will remain so for a long time. Especially in wheat, corn and soy beans. Harvesting grains is incredibly labour efficient. The labour crisis is mostly in fruits and vegetables which are very labor intensive. Even if soy and grain yields would be unexpectedly badly impacted by climate change it will first impact the exports and lastly animal feed and agro ethanol. The yields would have to be unrealistically devastated for it to lead to shortages in human food like bread. So at worst we are looking at a shortage of meat, fruits and vegetables but we are extremely far away from any situation involving starvation. This also includes Canada, the EU and Australia. And it’s not all vegetables either. Potatoes, carrots, peas and onions are machine harvested and won’t get affected by a farm labour crisis and will continue to be available. No one is gonna starve for having to substitute broccoli and asparagus with carrots and peas. No one is going to starve when fruits gets expensive either, they are healthy but you can live without them.
It’s the part of the third world which currently relies on western food exports that will have food insecurity in a worsening climate crisis. The west is at worst facing a more boring and monotone diet.
The west is at worst facing a more boring and monotone diet.
That sounds like plenty of reason to start a riot!
As if half of us don’t survive on cheerios and chicken nuggies
I’ve been ready to riot since 2004. That’s when they changed the fries at McDonalds. Now they suck.
pitchfork ready
Hot take: McDonald’s fries are trash. Sure, I’ll eat them, but every other fast food place has better fries.
I think you underestimate how much some countries are willing to support having a positive relationship with the US in spite of it being in their best interest to do otherwise.
Only as long as the US has something to offer in return, but the Chinese are gaining ground in a lot of countries
I agree. But it’ll come due to drought and the fact that Trump screwed over farmers with soy exports, which is an important cover crop for crop rotation.
If farmers can’t make money on soy, they’ll take shortcuts, which will rob the soil of nutrients. That with drought will lead to another dust bowl that will be devastating.
Soy fixes nitrogen and doesn’t affect the rest of the nutrients. Without soy in the crop rotation you have to simply buy more nitrogen fertilizer for the subsequent crop, which will make it more expensive to grow. Soy is good but it’s not a looming disaster without it. The EU barely grows soy and is doing fine. And regarding dust bowl. Those areas of the US have already switched from plowing to no-till decades ago. Another dust bowl is unlikely even with drought because of it.
Why don’t they just eat cake then?
I’m hear it’s popular to go to spain if that happens.
@RobotToaster @moncharleskey Which is why we used to have “the dollar menu,” to keep the plebes bellies just full enough.
Someone, however, seems to have either forgotten that lesson or decided they have enough power to ignore it.
Rioting will just cause lockdowns and curfews and people getting beaten and arrested by cops.
Striking has a better chance to help but it needs to be soon before AI is actually good enough to replace us all (maybe 2 years away?)
After that point we have no more leverage and will be fucked.
I don’t have an answer for you other than, I don’t know why it hasn’t happened already.
Yesterday was the best time. Now IS the best time we have left. Later might be too late.
How can we as a group choose to suffer more than we already have? The majority of people have NOTHING if they don’t have a paycheck in the next 3 weeks. We starve and we die. And it’s not pretty.
The militias whose sole existence should be to combat the tyranny of government are the ones putting a boot on the necks of the people they should be marching into ICE held territory and saying this is not happening and I’m willing to fight for it.
That’s only in amerikkka though, which as long been the too big to fail state that has absolutely failed everyone.
That the epstein pedophile ring hasn’t been brought to clean and swift justice is a mockery of all that anyone has believed in as far as governments are willing to operate in anything resembling justice.
It’s fucking bleak. What can anyone do?
I was ready in February 2025. But after 12 months of being surrounded by people who don’t know/don’t care, and the growing threat of illegal detention of my legal immigrant spouse, I packed my family up and left.
I undersrand that for sure, but unfortunately you can’t get away from climate change. I’m not saying you made the wrong choice, just that the fight isn’t over.
Too late
It’s literally already too late.
… not that billionaires should see no consequence, but… what consequence are you going to make them see?? They’ve ALREADY ruined the planet.
we saw how quickly the planet started to heal during covid. It’s not too late
Not to mention that the people that have put us in this mess would love nothing more than for us to throw our hands up and say it’s too late to do anything about it.
lol global warming DIRECTLY SHOWS that it’s too late… but you go off on how you fucking idiots will save the world…
Call it Pascal’s Wager if you like, but if it’s not too late to do anything, me doing my part, however small, will help, and if it is too late, my efforts won’t make it worse.
If you don’t want to help then you should get out of the way and not hinder the ones that do. I’m sorry you’ve adopted a defeatist mentality, but I’m still willing to try, and I think you should be too.
Look at this guy, doing his fair share by being a total dick
who said anything about saving the world? you good?
I heavily disagree with this sentiment. Go work with your local conservation groups if you feel hopeless about the environment, God knows they need the help. You’ll be doing something useful and see that recovery and adaptation is possible. Endangered species can rebound, damaged ecosystems can recover, and societal views about our obligations to each other and the planet can change.
You can disagree all you want, but reality will show you what you’re fucking with.
It’s too late EXACTLY BECAUSE you are not a billionaire.
It’s okay to say you find working outdoors difficult, you don’t have to have a public doom spiral.
They are building bunkers because they know it’s going to happen
We need a general strike to start. It has to be big enough that is disrupts the ongoing social order, then revolution. Unfortunately many people are appeased by their treats and unwilling to commit to opposing the status quo in any effective way.
I agree 100% and am all for a general strike, but without some sort of push I don’t know when it will happen. It’s like everyone is waiting around for The Signal, but is it even coming? Why should we give up our own autonomy and wait for someone else?
Quorum sensing is an important factor in processes of quantitative change reaching a point where qualitative change is possible. This is just how social dynamics work. You’re welcome to encourage more people to join the push for a general strike or other local organizing groups and parties, but a mass of people will be necessary to bring about qualitative changes.
Probably will start with an uncontrollable flash point. Arab Spring supposedly started when a citizen set himself on fire whose frustration about daily life was wide spread. It just flipped a switch in people.
Yeah, based on my own observations of events like that and things such as Luigi, I think that’s the only thing that might trigger it.
Op, unfortunately the only way I see something like that happening in a place like the USA is if you pulled a Luigi but had a clear manifesto that you made sure was spread throughout the internet that rallied people up. Luigi already had a lot of people on his side simply from the act itself. Imagine if he had also spread a video stating the evils of the health insurance system there and that the issue would only go away if the CEOs did, whether peacefully or violently.
If you did the same but against an oil exec, a refinery, or select political figures that aren’t actively on politics at the moment (Musk, Sam Altman for example) while pointing out how easy it technically is to fix the “problems”, then you’d likely see some momentum. It might take 2 such events close to each other to really get the ball rolling though - Americans are too comfortable (The French probably are more aggressive due to the lack of AC. It’s bad enough where I’m at in the Nordics I don’t want to imagine 30+ degree weather with none).
If you can’t do that, then tough luck, you’ll have to take the much slower approach and campaign for politicians who are actually left wing, or run yourself.
You won’t riot, your will is gone, all hope is lost.
Speak for yourself. Do you feel better about your own lack of action by attacking others?
