No it doesn’t. People fuck, kids happen. Recognizing people have human compulsions but don’t want to deal with the consequences requires forethought, whether that’s a condom, birth control, or sterilization. Fuck off with you “an issue that resolves itself” bullshit. Responsibility and self-awareness prevents it.
While there’s been a steady reduction in unwanted pregnancies since contraception and abortion were legalized, in the US alone around 35-40% of pregnancies are still unintended. That means in 2019 approximately 943,000 people came into this world as an “oops”.
I’m actually the result of an unplanned teen pregnancy and was adopted out (not the love of their lives however, more of an object upon which to heap their violence and rage). When I finally met my bio mom, who’s rad, after we’d gotten to know each other a bit she admitted she tried to abort me but was past the cutoff date by the time she realized. Some people don’t create children but become wonderful parents, some people don’t want kids but end up with them and make the choice to be good parents, some people desperately want to be parents but have selfish purposes.
I’m 100% with you that access to contraception and abortion should be human rights, but even if state limitations didn’t exist sex for fun and with full precautions would still sometimes result in the creation of a new human. 2019 was 40yrs into the US allowing access to contraceptives and abortion and still 1/3 of new people came into existence unintentionally.
It’s great that numbers are down, but 1/3 of humanity coming into existence when contraceptives, abortion, and a basic understanding of how babies are made are accessible seems like more than an outlier. Whether 2.2 million or 900k, these aren’t just numbers, each one born is a human being, subject to all that entails and subjecting the world to all that comes with another human existing.
I was being generous. 1/3 is average in most countries where birth control, abortion, and sex ed are available. The number increases in countries where that isn’t the case and I’m guessing will increase in the US as the Christofascists are allowed to retain power.
No. The implication that people who don’t want kids somehow don’t end up in situations where kids are produced is ludicrous. People don’t fuck just to make babies, but since that is a possibility, avoiding that outcome is a responsibility. Not everyone who doesn’t want kids automatically becomes a bad parent when they do occur, and not everyone who intentionally creates kids is a good parent.
Gotta back him up on this point, and I think every parent will agree - from the time they are toddlers until late in high school you WILL catch every disease all the other kids at school had that week. Among most parents it’s a running joke.
Mine are grown now but still living at home and I STILL catch shit from them going around their unis.
Your original reply implied that people who hold such a belief somehow end up not making babies because of that belief. I continue to suggest the onus is on people with that belief to prevent them while knowing that it’s quite likely they’re going to fuck, and frankly, your opinion about their reproductive rights and bodily autonomy is irrelevant. I mean, what’s your proposal, comb people’s post histories for comments like “disease vectors” and take their kids away when condoms fail or a pill is missed, or do we just sterilize/castrate them beforehand?
I said shouldn’t , not don’t. I think you need to work on your comprehension.
I don’t know why this has set you off so much, but I sincerely hope you get the help you need.
People who dislike kids and don’t want kids are less likely to have kids. I’m sorry but is there someone around you that usually helps you when you are talking to people?
I’m sorry but is there someone around you that usually helps you when you are talking to people?
So what if there was? Adding a backhanded jab that relies on treating special needs people like they’re less than capable of handling themselves and need someone else to do their talking as an insult is a real shitbag comment. If you want to resort to name calling don’t use the idea of special needs as making someone else lesser.
It’s also not an “issue”, as if avoiding parenthood is somehow a deviation from the norm or amoral choice. If OPs comment struck a nerve, call them out on the part of the comment that struck the nerve- their description of kids as disgusting. There’s no issue in not having kids and the choice to not make them is resolved when the people who don’t want them take personal responsibility and precautions to prevent it from happening.
People who don’t want kids, won’t have kids, and is a “problem that resolves itself”? Like because they don’t have kids they won’t “pass it down”?
It sounds like the same reasoning as “People being gay is a problem that resolves itself cuz they don’t have sex.” As if being gay is something that can only be “passed down”.
Probably why the other person is getting upset, not sure if this is what you were trying to say or not.
I’ll take your $20. Snipped at 23 because, as I’ve been pointing out, the responsibility of preventing unwanted children is on the potential parent who’s disinterest in reproducing is neither a disinterest in sex nor somehow prevents sex from occurring.
No it doesn’t. People fuck, kids happen. Recognizing people have human compulsions but don’t want to deal with the consequences requires forethought, whether that’s a condom, birth control, or sterilization. Fuck off with you “an issue that resolves itself” bullshit. Responsibility and self-awareness prevents it.
Hasn’t been a serious issue since contraception became mainstream in the 70s.
I fuck all the time and have never had a kid naturally. I’ve got two adopted kids who are the loves of my life, though.
Source: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_02/sr02-201.pdf
While there’s been a steady reduction in unwanted pregnancies since contraception and abortion were legalized, in the US alone around 35-40% of pregnancies are still unintended. That means in 2019 approximately 943,000 people came into this world as an “oops”.
I’m actually the result of an unplanned teen pregnancy and was adopted out (not the love of their lives however, more of an object upon which to heap their violence and rage). When I finally met my bio mom, who’s rad, after we’d gotten to know each other a bit she admitted she tried to abort me but was past the cutoff date by the time she realized. Some people don’t create children but become wonderful parents, some people don’t want kids but end up with them and make the choice to be good parents, some people desperately want to be parents but have selfish purposes.
A problem easily solved with expansion of access to contraception and abortion services.
These pregnancies are not the result of people fucking. They are the result of state and federal policy denying them access to baby-free sex.
I’m 100% with you that access to contraception and abortion should be human rights, but even if state limitations didn’t exist sex for fun and with full precautions would still sometimes result in the creation of a new human. 2019 was 40yrs into the US allowing access to contraceptives and abortion and still 1/3 of new people came into existence unintentionally.
It goes from a routine occurrence to an outlayer concern.
Unintentional pregnancies in the early 1970s accounted for 2.2-2.7M births per year.
We’ve reduced that incidence by 60% over the intervening period.
It’s great that numbers are down, but 1/3 of humanity coming into existence when contraceptives, abortion, and a basic understanding of how babies are made are accessible seems like more than an outlier. Whether 2.2 million or 900k, these aren’t just numbers, each one born is a human being, subject to all that entails and subjecting the world to all that comes with another human existing.
It’s not 1/3rd of humanity, it’s 1/3rd of Americans - a community of people who are exceptionally reactionary around contraception and abortion
https://www.who.int/data/gho/data/indicators/indicator-details/GHO/SRH_PREGNANCY_UNINTENDED_RATE
I was being generous. 1/3 is average in most countries where birth control, abortion, and sex ed are available. The number increases in countries where that isn’t the case and I’m guessing will increase in the US as the Christofascists are allowed to retain power.
I have no idea what you are saying, did you reply to the wrong comment?
No. The implication that people who don’t want kids somehow don’t end up in situations where kids are produced is ludicrous. People don’t fuck just to make babies, but since that is a possibility, avoiding that outcome is a responsibility. Not everyone who doesn’t want kids automatically becomes a bad parent when they do occur, and not everyone who intentionally creates kids is a good parent.
No, people who call kids ‘disease vectors’ shouldn’t have kids, silly billy.
Gotta back him up on this point, and I think every parent will agree - from the time they are toddlers until late in high school you WILL catch every disease all the other kids at school had that week. Among most parents it’s a running joke.
Mine are grown now but still living at home and I STILL catch shit from them going around their unis.
It is true - two colds in 3 months here. It is what happens when you get 30 kids into a confined space, immediate spread.
Your original reply implied that people who hold such a belief somehow end up not making babies because of that belief. I continue to suggest the onus is on people with that belief to prevent them while knowing that it’s quite likely they’re going to fuck, and frankly, your opinion about their reproductive rights and bodily autonomy is irrelevant. I mean, what’s your proposal, comb people’s post histories for comments like “disease vectors” and take their kids away when condoms fail or a pill is missed, or do we just sterilize/castrate them beforehand?
I said shouldn’t , not don’t. I think you need to work on your comprehension. I don’t know why this has set you off so much, but I sincerely hope you get the help you need.
Explain how people not wanting kids “resolves itself”. Do you think they don’t have sex?
People who dislike kids and don’t want kids are less likely to have kids. I’m sorry but is there someone around you that usually helps you when you are talking to people?
So what if there was? Adding a backhanded jab that relies on treating special needs people like they’re less than capable of handling themselves and need someone else to do their talking as an insult is a real shitbag comment. If you want to resort to name calling don’t use the idea of special needs as making someone else lesser.
It’s also not an “issue”, as if avoiding parenthood is somehow a deviation from the norm or amoral choice. If OPs comment struck a nerve, call them out on the part of the comment that struck the nerve- their description of kids as disgusting. There’s no issue in not having kids and the choice to not make them is resolved when the people who don’t want them take personal responsibility and precautions to prevent it from happening.
People who don’t want kids, won’t have kids, and is a “problem that resolves itself”? Like because they don’t have kids they won’t “pass it down”?
It sounds like the same reasoning as “People being gay is a problem that resolves itself cuz they don’t have sex.” As if being gay is something that can only be “passed down”.
Probably why the other person is getting upset, not sure if this is what you were trying to say or not.
$20 days they have at least one kid they didn’t want to / weren’t planning on having.
I’ll take your $20. Snipped at 23 because, as I’ve been pointing out, the responsibility of preventing unwanted children is on the potential parent who’s disinterest in reproducing is neither a disinterest in sex nor somehow prevents sex from occurring.
$20 to gurty