I got my shit handed to me because I said someone is mentally challenged. But apparently where I work that is considered hate speech. Is there a place where I can read the new terms? Like do we call all people from South America something or is it like Spanish American or Mexican American and so forth?
In my experience the best thing to do is ask. You won’t please everyone and your not expected to. Just try your best. No such list would be universally acceptable to everyone. Everyone is different. That APA list someone posted had some good suggestion (some not so great IMHO too). See the person not the “classification”
The APA publishes an inclusive language guide, and guidelines for bias-free language.
I was taught that for any form of disability, “put the person first,” never “a mentally disabled person,” always “a person with a mental disability,” making the condition a descriptor rather than the core identity.
I’m not sure that would have helped you but feel like it’s good advice generally
As an autistic person, no, many of us prefer to be called autistic people rather than people with autism. Person with autism makes it sound like an accessory that can be removed from the person. Many autistic people consider autism an intrinsic part of who we are.
You don’t call gay people “people with homosexuality” or black people “people with blackness”
I appreciate you sharing that. I’d never heard of this exactly, but it fits my experiences with the autistic community.
Being a little pedantic, I don’t think gay or black are disabilities, but, on the other hand, why wouldn’t my reasoning apply to any descriptor? “Nobody’s whole identity should be boiled down to a single trait, so wouldn’t the same logic apply?”
This is just something I was taught as part of the secondary education program in university and was culturally popular at the time. There’s no semantic algorithm we can follow that will instantly make us sensitive and kind. In fact, I’m pretty sure virtually every tactic would offend someone somewhere.
The hard work of it all is listening to people and caring about their feelings. So I hear you autistic brother and will try to bear this in mind. I just thought the person first mindset was a good one generally.
I guess many autists wouldn’t even feel adressed by OP because they don’t see autism as a disability.
I heard about that from the unmaking autism book. I think the person d applies more your two things that aren’t party of who you are like autistic vs being in the foster care system. Since both my sons came to us through the system it was a easy example for them. They understood the difference between a foster child and a child in foster care.
ADL and Southern Poverty Law Center has some lists, iirc. Also useful for identifying hate symbols.
Did you use “mentally challenged” as a way to call someone stupid or were you talking about someone with a learning difficulty or developmental disability?
Most of the time if you cause offensive with your words, it’s not the specific words as much as the tone, context and implication.
I grew up in australia which has a very different understanding of offensive/acceptable language. Before i say something that might be touchy, i mentally double check - is this information actually relevant? Am i saying this in good faith?
With a humble tone and a clear reason the worst response i’ve had was a polite “oh i think X is a better word, but yeah”. Speak in good faith, people will respond with grace.
I mentally double check
So you’re saying you… mentally challenged yourself?
ugh, I’m going to hate myself for making this pun, but you can check my history and see I speak up about the “R” word, but here’s an example of legitimate usage:
So you’re saying you decided to retard your rate of replies until you mentally challenged yourself?
I’ll… see myself out. :)
Mentally challenging is how I refer to the church people making life difficult for servers on a Sunday.
It’s for a church, honey. Next!
haha, haven’t thought of that one in a while
And on the flip side, if you’re intentionally being offensive, don’t be shocked when people get offended. There’s no polite way to call someone a dipshit or any alternative similar word. Insult is insult. I always find this amusing when the person deliberately causing offense gets offended that other people are offended by them being offensive. Not that I can tell from OP if they did or not, this is just a bugbear I’m scratching.
I’d use
Black instead of African American
Native instead of Indian
Indian for someone from the country of India
[Nothing] for someone with a mental disability unless it was required in the context of the conversation. And then I’d hopefully know what the specific condition is (ie downs syndrome or fetal alcohol syndrome)
Not an exhaustive list. But a start.
Native is fine in North America, but offensive in South America. Better to use Indigenous
I met a guy with Indian parents, but he was born and lived in the USA. I asked if that meant he was an American Indian. Nobody would answer me.
He’s an Indian American. An American Indian would be an Indian of American descent.
I’ve heard a way to disambiguate “Indian” is to ask “dot or feather?” which is, alas, at least mildly racist. But I remember reading about it a few years ago because someone of - wait for it¹ - native and Indian heritage who worked at a casino on a reservation as tech support - was asked this question and got to answer “BOTH!” (and we were all amused at their job and its location) lol
It sounds made up, and who knows, but at the time I remember the discussion seemed to support that they weren’t lying. :shrug:
¹ but I won’t make you wait long. In fact, if you had skipped this footnote, you’d already know!
in swedish it’s “indian” for native north american, and “indier” for someone from india.
I feel like one could come up with a similar distinction in english but the best i can come up with is “indie” which is unfortunately already taken and slightly sounds like a slur when used for an ethnic group.In Canada they use “First Nations”, which I really like, so I use that a lot of the time (of the rare times the subject arises). :)
I think its better to just bypass all of that unless you actually know where they are from and just say, dark skinned fellow. Light skinned woman. There is nothing wrong with using a descriptor.
Given the history of racism and colorism in the US, reducing a person of color to just their skin color can sometimes cause upset. Using a non-skin-tone related descriptor is generally safer, if possible.
Sure I get that. I’m thinking just in a situation where I am describing a stranger. Like “hey front desk person, a dark skinned man with a blue hat dropped his keys but I didnt see what room he went in. I have to leave so I’m leaving them with you”
I’m probably being overly semantic but perhaps saying “A person with a blue hat and dark skin” would be the least abrasive way of putting it? That said, obsessing over endless semantic refinement and searching for a flawless alternative that does not exist for fear of hypothetical offense will lead to recursive over-correction ad nauseam
The best way of saying it would probably be a black person with a blue hat, which is probably also what most would say. Never heard someone think that black is offensive, unless you are saying a black, which is definitely not acceptable.
I see that
dark skinned MAN, you MISANDRIST!
(I kid, I kid)
For most of life, it is better to stick to objective facts than subjective opinions.
“Mentally challenged” sounds like an opinion.
“They didn’t understand something until i used simple words and plenty of repetition.” – objective fact based on experience.
Just ask people want they want to be called? There’s no list that’s going to be perfect in every situation.
I got my shit handed to me because I said someone is mentally challenged.
Not to mention that this would get most people in trouble at work regardless of the term used for “mentally challenged”.
Intent matters most here.
I find nothing wrong with mentally challenged.
Side note, this is one of the biggest reasons people hate the Left. Like, theres bigger shit to worry about than a word.
Did they provide you training and information? Maybe that would help. You could ask them.
Also, terms vary from region to region, so your local diversity organisation probably has information to help.
Also, “HR speak” and common language are different in the way they handle things. “Black person” works in casual speech, and “African American” doesn’t. Also, in Britain, while “Black person” also works in casual speech, the HR phrase is “Afro Carribbean”
I almost got fired because we have cubicle’s. And my boss asked where a co-worker is at and (I meant the hair color) I just flippintly said oh you can see his black head over there. I got a major write up and had to appologize for being insensitive
I think you had a foot in mouth kinda day. Referring to a co worker as a black person is fine, or “you can see his head over there” is fine, but mixing the two makes it seem the wrong thing is being highlighted.
Black is definitely the most standard term for people of african descent, yes?
For intelectual disability I guess “intelectually disabled” should work fine.
I’m not aware of such a website, unfortunately…
My nigerian friend swears he’s not black but fair-skinned because one of his ancestors was white. Apparently once the bloodline gets dilluted, they don’t count as black amymore.
Well, maybe in Nigeria…
Then again, race is a social construct anyway! Fair enough I guess (pun intended).
Yeah his reasoning was how it’s defined in Nigeria. Had some fun conversations like “dude, you’re black”
That’s remarkably similar to British colonialism. IIRC, they believed you “removed” that part of their lineage after 3 generations.
There is a mild push to “emphasize people first”, i.e. not someone who is mentally disabled, but a person with mental disabilities.
Although having worked with clients who were, the term I learned and used as optimal was “adults with cognitive and developmental disabilities”.
:shrug; I’m not suggesting that’s “more correct”, mind.
Black for Sub-Saharan African descent, sure. Things get a bit more difficult if you want to talk about north Africans.
And South Africans.
For the sake of ethnic origin, white South Africans are European, but I grant you that things are getting to the point of being somewhat complicated there too.
You’re right of course. Overall, I’m just exhausted by the arbitrary and vague lines we keep drawing between peoples, especially when we link culture to skin colour like we must be able to instantly see someone’s black culture at a distance.
Yes, fair enough.
The volume of updates would bring a lot of tech to its knees
Before I even asked this i went through 5 pages of google search (and sorry I did) so I came here. I did not know I was so out of date. Hell I don’t even know what a Pokemon is still.
Google’s servers would be screaming for mommy
No. There is no resource.
I think the currently accepted term is “developmentally disabled”.
As far as a racial term for Americans with African heritage, I’ve met some people who prefer African-American, and others you consider it stodgy and misleading and prefer black.
There’s a mild pref to put people first, e.g. “a person with cognitive or developmental disabilities”, but I don’t think yours is offensive, although it might get a comment.
Like when I first became a wheelchair user, I would say I was “chairbound” or “wheelchairbound” - but someone pointed out that some people won’t help people in wheelchairs in emergencies because of a mistaken belief that anyone in a wheelchair can’t be removed from it (many can stand and/or walk some short distance, others can’t). So “chair user” is much better. Not to correct anyone, just because it can help in emergencies or whatever.
