• Ricky Rigatoni@piefed.zip
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        Genuinely why I hate anti-america/anti-capitalism propaganda based off lies. You don’t need to lie when just telling the truth is damning. The lies just undermine everything when they’re exposed, makes people question even the facts.

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          I’ve said this to people so many times, and they get all up in arms making strawman arguments about how I’m supposedly in favor of the thing they’re against.

          Like, no, if I thought you were flat out wrong and I had a differing opinion then I would tell you that. If I critique your argument on the grounds that it weakens itself by relying on misinformation, then chances are I probably agree on the bigger picture.

          Some people, man…

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            Don’t feed the trolls… or the psyops either I guess. I don’t care which category of people who abuse logical fallacies are, I just know that some people go out of their way to not fall into those traps and their statements are much more worth my time engaging with.

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                You aren’t fighting the trolls - you are struggling against yourself.

                Someone who helps bring out the best in you is by definition not a troll, but conversely someone who brings out the worst probably is.

                Watch Innuendo Studios The Alt-Right Playbook series. You will be glad that you did. It applies to tankies as well since they use identical argumentation styles. Trolls are not merely the other side, they aren’t even playing at the same game as you, which is why you will be eaten alive unless you understand what’s what. Like you are trying to “convince”, they aren’t. You use facts and references, which you actually bother reading, while they use pithy sayings. Their end goal is for you and everyone you’ve ever met to be killed, as Western culture ends, so that the more “pure” communism can come in - such as obviously exemplified by the likes of Russia, China, and North Korea.

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                They aren’t trying to “convince” you - they are seeking easy prey, and trying to bully you into shutting up so that they can find others. Seriously, watch that video series if you truly want to understand. It’s long, but very worthwhile.

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          On one hand yes, on the other I’m sure we’d all have dismissed people talking about a network of pedophilia linking every important statesperson and billionaires, before all the Epstein stuff came out

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            They were (mostly) attributing it to the wrong people. Also, the biggest accusers were running that network.

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        The best propaganda is always the truth.

        When they shut down the RT America studio under the foreign agents law and direct TV intervention, they did interviews with the ex-RT dissident-esq reporters who were working there. I don’t remember who, and who was interviewing, so take this with a grain of salt. When they were asked on the lines of how they felt working for Russian propaganda and information campaign. They said along the lines of that of all the networks they had worked on, they were never felt as free as when they worked on RT, and they were quite open that it was all part of bringing up narratives that would disrupt the American mainstream ones and create political disruption and doubt. Their handlers in Moscow knew that the best way to achieve this was just to give them reach and mostly uncensored platform and let them do mostly whatever they want, because they knew that just bringing out the truth was the most damaging thing to American establishment.

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          they were never felt as free as when they worked on RT

          I assume these reporters were not the ones reporting on the state of russia

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            It was RT USA, I assume that they still never felt that they had a freedom to bite the hand that fed them, but that was not why most of them were there, to focus on dunking on Russia. But not biting the hand that feeds you is the reality for every reporter that isn’t totally independent.

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          Russia and China have a surprising method of psychological warfare: find the dirt-seekers of the world, and make sure they’re busy enough finding the uncomfortable truths from their ideological opponents, so they don’t bother digging their party’s

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          John Kiriakou, former CIA officer who blew the whistle on the US’s torture program, had a RT podcast/radio show where he could say anything he liked.

        • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
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          dint TRUMP immediately brought back RT, at least thier propagandist reporters to WH as part of press conference.