Now that you’ve finally done your homework, presented the sources of your beliefs for me to examine, like I told you to do about seven times, I will happily go through them, since you are no longer trying to make me go on a wild goose chase hunting down every random internet user with something negative to say about the USSR.
Your first source, as mentioned before, is a random Quora user. That’s not remotely credible and it’s ridiculous that you’re still trying to use that even after I addressed it.
Your second source, Russia Beyond, I’ve addressed countless times. It quite clearly says that the average wait time was 6-7 years. Public sector employees might have to wait 10 or more, but the claim was about the average in general, and as I’ve repeatedly told you, 10 is also less than 20-30.
Your third source says:
On the positive side, the boast that ‘there are no homeless in the Soviet Union’ is generally true. But the homes are not what a Western family would tolerate – or what Soviets want.
Which again, the claim was about housing in general and not about upgrades.
Moving on to your fourth source:
I won’t tell you which page that’s located on because I want you to find it for yourself.
Lol, being deliberately obtuse is not how you get people to engage with a source. Nevertheless, because I have such tremendous patience, I looked it up, it’s on page 9. Once again, this is an single individual and tells us nothing about the overall statistical reality, and once again, 10 years is less than 20-30.
Your fifth source says:
Waiting lists for separate apartments could take 10 years or longer
Meaning, you’d have a shared apartment but might have to wait 10 years to upgrade to a separate dwelling. 10 years is still less than 20-30.
Also, Radio Free Europe is affiliated with the US government, just fyi. I take it with a grain of salt, like with the Russian one, but, like the Russian one, it contradicts your position, so that’s your problem, not mine.
Your sixth source says:
But if the room was 14 sq.m – they received the right to improve their living conditions and were included into the waiting list for the new flat, granted from the State (this people are called ocheredniki) . Some ocheredniki have to wait for several years (in Moscow and Leningrad – 10 years and even more).
Once again, that’s saying 10+ years for an upgrade (in specific cities), contradicting the claim of 20-30 years to get anything at all, because, and this is true, 10 is less than 20-30.
Your seventh source says:
During the Stalin era, between 1927 and 1955, the USSR did not increase the extremely low per capita built-up area rates that existed in 1917, 4m2. Cohabitation was frequent and necessary, with about 35% of the population living in shared apartments until the end of the USSR. The queues of waiting to obtain housing took around 10 years.
This one says around 10 years to obtain housing in the Stalin era. I’m not sure if they mean, housing outside of a shared apartment or housing in general, and the situation was worse during that era than later. Once again, 10 years is less than 20-30.
Your eighth source is a Rickroll. I’m not sure why you think trolling me for reading through your sources is a good idea. I think your frustrations have more to do with the fact that you seem very confused about the purpose of sources and how debate works in general, rather than anything on my part.
Your ninth source says:
Instead, the MZhK movement started to be seen primarily as a shortcut for solving the housing problems of young families, who otherwise had to wait in the queue for years or even decades.
This is perhaps the closest any of your sources has come to backing up the claim of 20-30 years, however, it doesn’t explain where that claim actually comes from or how typical it was, or if it’s talking about waiting in the queue for an upgrade, or for housing at all.
There. See, when you do your homework, I do my part too. I’m just not going to do the part of trying to guess where you’re getting your claims and beliefs from.
I’m not sure what part of that Jesus is so broken up about tbh 🤣
Now that you’ve finally done your homework, presented the sources of your beliefs for me to examine, like I told you to do about seven times, I will happily go through them, since you are no longer trying to make me go on a wild goose chase hunting down every random internet user with something negative to say about the USSR.
Your first source, as mentioned before, is a random Quora user. That’s not remotely credible and it’s ridiculous that you’re still trying to use that even after I addressed it.
Your second source, Russia Beyond, I’ve addressed countless times. It quite clearly says that the average wait time was 6-7 years. Public sector employees might have to wait 10 or more, but the claim was about the average in general, and as I’ve repeatedly told you, 10 is also less than 20-30.
Your third source says:
Which again, the claim was about housing in general and not about upgrades.
Moving on to your fourth source:
Lol, being deliberately obtuse is not how you get people to engage with a source. Nevertheless, because I have such tremendous patience, I looked it up, it’s on page 9. Once again, this is an single individual and tells us nothing about the overall statistical reality, and once again, 10 years is less than 20-30.
Your fifth source says:
Meaning, you’d have a shared apartment but might have to wait 10 years to upgrade to a separate dwelling. 10 years is still less than 20-30.
Also, Radio Free Europe is affiliated with the US government, just fyi. I take it with a grain of salt, like with the Russian one, but, like the Russian one, it contradicts your position, so that’s your problem, not mine.
Your sixth source says:
Once again, that’s saying 10+ years for an upgrade (in specific cities), contradicting the claim of 20-30 years to get anything at all, because, and this is true, 10 is less than 20-30.
Your seventh source says:
This one says around 10 years to obtain housing in the Stalin era. I’m not sure if they mean, housing outside of a shared apartment or housing in general, and the situation was worse during that era than later. Once again, 10 years is less than 20-30.
Your eighth source is a Rickroll. I’m not sure why you think trolling me for reading through your sources is a good idea. I think your frustrations have more to do with the fact that you seem very confused about the purpose of sources and how debate works in general, rather than anything on my part.
Your ninth source says:
This is perhaps the closest any of your sources has come to backing up the claim of 20-30 years, however, it doesn’t explain where that claim actually comes from or how typical it was, or if it’s talking about waiting in the queue for an upgrade, or for housing at all.
There. See, when you do your homework, I do my part too. I’m just not going to do the part of trying to guess where you’re getting your claims and beliefs from.
I’m not sure what part of that Jesus is so broken up about tbh 🤣