• plyth@feddit.org
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    4 days ago

    Then think it through. People hate Russia so much that they don’t recognize how they are manipulated. Please, give it a thought.

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      4 days ago

      I thought it through. I really don’t like authoritative regimes that imprison and torture political opponents, protestors and journalists. I don’t like regimes that oppress minorities and crack down on human and civil rights. I don’t like nations that invade other countries, comit genocide and other warcrimes. And I don’t like it when nations try and meddle with the democratic processes and societal discourse of independent states.
      That’s why I like neither Russia nor the USA (and a bunch of other countries like China) and want them to be told to fuck off. Same is true for thise who support their efforts, like you.

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        4 days ago

        That’s why I like neither Russia nor the USA (and a bunch of other countries like China) and want them to be told to fuck off.

        How do you want to achieve that? It’s essentially the gas situation. We have cut off Russia and are now forced to buy American gas.

        We don’t treat Russia and the US equally, to the advantage of the US.

        China has shown how to balance powers. They were supported by the US to keep their distance from Russia. We do the opposite. We fight Russia and are forced to support the US.

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          4 days ago

          Ever heard of that nice thing called “renewables”? You know, electrification powered by electricity gained from solar and wind? Pretty effective stuff to become independent.

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            4 days ago

            Minister Reiche shows that the US have no intention of letting the EU break free from the energy dependency.

            For the forseeable future we will be dependent on the US and the US will leverage that dependency to have enough new ones for the time when there is enough renewable power.

            China and the US must compete for the goodwill of Europe for Europe to be independent. However, the war with Russia binds us to the US.

            What I don’t understand is that people don’t draw a connection between the American support for NGOs in Ukraine, the protests and new government, the Russian reaction and the inevitable political reality for Europe.

            The US invested $5 billion in NGOs and Europe buys weapons for hundreds of billions and the EU cannot threaten to switch to China.

            That looks like a successful plan to me.

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              4 days ago

              I have no idea what tinfoil shit you’re talking about. What do Reiche, China and Ukraine have to do with the fact that neither Russia nor the US are very popular in this community?

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                3 days ago

                They determine if we stay dependent on the US.

                I don’t understand what popularity has to do with it.

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      4 days ago

      We have plenty of reason to hate Russia.

      And it does not prevent us from hating on other imperialist war machines.

      All of them can fuck right off.

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        4 days ago

        Hating the US equally doesn’t help to understand the manipulations. Understanding comes from trying to find their reasons for their actions.

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            9 hours ago

            But does he make the decisions? Right now, the closing of the strait of Hormus is so counter-intuitive that there must be a bigger consensus or Trump would be impeached.