• sangeteria@lemmy.ml
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    2 months ago

    You guys need to stop looking for other countries to blame and actually blame your home-grown one party oligarchy.

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      2 months ago

      I mean you’re not wrong, but Russia/Putin absolutely is to blame for a lot of things that contributed to the rise of fascism in America and Europe in the 21st century.

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        Nothing would’ve taken place if the conditions weren’t already there. White supremacy, a country of easily indoctrinated fools who refuse to think about anything and amorality made it happen, the Russians were but one group of many whispering into American ears.

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          I don’t know if nothing would’ve taken place, but I yes, I agree the conditions for Russia to influence US politics were good to begin with.

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        Nope, because Israel controls the whole country, both parties. Russia is specific to the GOP.

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          US oligarchs controls both parties. Usians should stop to look outside their frontiers to find the cause of their problems.

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            For tax cuts and such, sure. For external and military affairs, Israel is in the driving seat.

            • YappyMonotheist@lemmy.worldBanned from community
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              No it isn’t, nothing Israel does happens without American approval and support. Mossad has kompromat on Trump and that’s pulling him in this or another direction, sure, but that’s a different story and a new development, a circumstantial one. The moment America has a new leader that hasn’t been recorded doing the nastiest of deeds by Mossad, even with AIPAC bribing many American politicians, Israel will be just one of many groups influencing American politics as it was in the recent past.

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                Yes, but Israel has bought enough senators, congresspeople and others that it dictates what America approves.

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                  It’s not that simple, there are other people also bribing American politicians with opposing stances/objectives (Gulf countries, for example), or else Bibi wouldn’t have had to fly personally to meet with Trump and try to convince him like 6 times in the span of a year, risking arrest (for reference, I think Bibi only did it once when Biden was in office). In the end, the blame lies within America, because if the leaders were even slightly moral, or if the people cared even a little bit about politics (in general, I know many American Lemmings care), this shit wouldn’t happen.