The only states in the US that have statewide bans on female toplessness is Indiana, Tennessee, and Utah. The majority of states in the US explicitly allow femme people to go topless because masculine people are allowed to go topless.
How about we stop warning women about existing as women and push against people who would perceive women as “a thrill seeker, mentally ill, hippy, or something else in that vein” for judging them.
Quoting my comment to disagree must have set off some hexbear essay ptsd. Re-reading, it’s far less abrasive than I initially took it to be. That’s my bad.
But it seems like we’re in disagreement solely on the basis of assumptions. You are right. Standing in solidarity with who need it is fundamental to maintaining freedoms and I wouldn’t even consider disputing that. However, the US seemed to be in a state worthy of societal triage, so freedom to be topless in the Bible Belt felt low on my list, compared to preserving people that I like.
It’s just exhaustion at decades worth of regression immediately after small progress, and recognition that the US is potentially beyond salvaging.
I like to quote so that it is clear which part of someone’s comment I am replying to directly.
I know it seems like the US is falling apart at the seams and we’re beyond saving, but that’s a bit hyperbolic when we’re just talking about laws around being topless. The Bible Belt isn’t the only place in the US either.
Women are often told what we should be doing to avoid being targeted or avoid being labeled any number of things.
I really was trying to have a conversation with you. No hostility here.
My initial comment was in respect to those places where it would be a major risk. Nearly everywhere I’ve been in the US would find little objection to toplessness, but I understand that isn’t universal. This effectively comes down to an inversion of “people live in cities.” People tend to suck more outside of cities. My friend, a witch, was ostracized from her small town for paganism, if you can believe that. So I’m still reeling from context alone.
And I certainly didn’t mean to condescend. Everyone here is an amorphous thought blob to me even after they express their physical characteristics. I was offering a generic “stay safe.”
My friend, a witch, was ostracized from her small town for paganism, if you can believe that.
I can as my mother is Wiccan and raised me in paganism. It honestly just reinforces my belief that we shouldn’t tell women to quiet their spirit because others might find them thrill seekers, mentally ill, hippy, or something else in that vein.
Thanks for coming back and settling our disagreement. I appreciate the respectful back and forth with you <3
I wouldn’t tell a woman to simmer down for the sake of perceptions, but I would tell someone to consider choosing their surroundings to fulfill their needs, which was what i was getting at. Though moving is far easier said than done if you’re in the US. It’s all just variation in optimism and prognostication.
Frankly, I don’t understand why you didn’t block me and move on after my earlier nonsense, but samesies
The only states in the US that have statewide bans on female toplessness is Indiana, Tennessee, and Utah. The majority of states in the US explicitly allow femme people to go topless because masculine people are allowed to go topless.
How about we stop warning women about existing as women and push against people who would perceive women as “a thrill seeker, mentally ill, hippy, or something else in that vein” for judging them.
I recommend heading to Utah to spread your ideas. Half of the US lives in deep, dangerous repression. Direct your misplaced aggression at them, not me
What? I live in the US. I’m speaking from my lived experience here. I agreed that Utah is one of the states that outlaws it.
I can’t have a conversation with you without being accused of being aggressive?
Quoting my comment to disagree must have set off some hexbear essay ptsd. Re-reading, it’s far less abrasive than I initially took it to be. That’s my bad.
But it seems like we’re in disagreement solely on the basis of assumptions. You are right. Standing in solidarity with who need it is fundamental to maintaining freedoms and I wouldn’t even consider disputing that. However, the US seemed to be in a state worthy of societal triage, so freedom to be topless in the Bible Belt felt low on my list, compared to preserving people that I like.
It’s just exhaustion at decades worth of regression immediately after small progress, and recognition that the US is potentially beyond salvaging.
I like to quote so that it is clear which part of someone’s comment I am replying to directly.
I know it seems like the US is falling apart at the seams and we’re beyond saving, but that’s a bit hyperbolic when we’re just talking about laws around being topless. The Bible Belt isn’t the only place in the US either.
Women are often told what we should be doing to avoid being targeted or avoid being labeled any number of things.
I really was trying to have a conversation with you. No hostility here.
My initial comment was in respect to those places where it would be a major risk. Nearly everywhere I’ve been in the US would find little objection to toplessness, but I understand that isn’t universal. This effectively comes down to an inversion of “people live in cities.” People tend to suck more outside of cities. My friend, a witch, was ostracized from her small town for paganism, if you can believe that. So I’m still reeling from context alone.
And I certainly didn’t mean to condescend. Everyone here is an amorphous thought blob to me even after they express their physical characteristics. I was offering a generic “stay safe.”
I can as my mother is Wiccan and raised me in paganism. It honestly just reinforces my belief that we shouldn’t tell women to quiet their spirit because others might find them thrill seekers, mentally ill, hippy, or something else in that vein.
Thanks for coming back and settling our disagreement. I appreciate the respectful back and forth with you <3
I wouldn’t tell a woman to simmer down for the sake of perceptions, but I would tell someone to consider choosing their surroundings to fulfill their needs, which was what i was getting at. Though moving is far easier said than done if you’re in the US. It’s all just variation in optimism and prognostication.
Frankly, I don’t understand why you didn’t block me and move on after my earlier nonsense, but samesies