Wait until your girlfriend gets harassed and almost raped in the womens bathroom by a “trans woman”, then we can discuss this non-inclusivity bullshit.
Yes, but not anyone is normally allowed in the womens bathroom, or other “female zones”, if you will. Men don’t have anything to do in there. If you don’t pass as a woman, you shouldn’t be in there. Simple as that.
You ever stop to consider that maybe you don’t pass as your chosen gender to someone else? Let people use the public restrooms they want. Harassment and rape are crimes, police that all you want, but we don’t need idiots getting bent out of shape and causing confrontations in restrooms because they believe they know better than the individuals who choose to present as a gender.
I don’t care. I don’t have to use the womans bathroom
You’re literally making my point for me. Let’s say you, believing yourself a man, go to use the men’s restroom.
I look at you, see that you look “chestier” than my idea of a man, and you’re in the men’s restroom!! Now I start screaming about you harassing me in my gender’s restroom. You need to leave!!! If you’re a man, strip naked and prove it!
How fucking stupid. Nobody needs to be policing people’s appearances in what should be a pretty safe place. Don’t hassle anyone in the bathroom, whether you think they look more like a man or a woman at a glance.
It’s funny you feel the need to inverse the genders in your story because you realise how ridiculous your point would be if we stuck to the original genders.
I didn’t invert the genders. I was talking about specifically him as he is, a man.
Yes, it is equally as insane if a woman is pushed out of the women’s restroom for looking too masculine. I’m not sure what point you’re arguing though.
Let’s say you, believing yourself a man, go to use the men’s restroom. I look at you, see that you look “chestier” than my idea of a man, and you’re in the men’s restroom!!
Which wouldn’t be a problem because men can defend themselves from other men. Also, men usually aren’t raped somewhere outside - men rape usually occurs in relationships, and at a MUCH lower rate than for women. I don’t have a problem with trans-men going to the mens bathroom. I have a problem with trans-WOMEN going to the WOMENS bathroom because women should be protected from this kind of harassment. Men do not experience that level of harassment.
The fact that you can’t even realize such a simple thing and you unironically thought it’s some kind of “gotcha” moment or whatever just proves my point that you are living in a delusion where the world is a merry place and everyone gets a pony for his 12th birthday. So any kind of discussion with you in this regard is completely useless since you can’t even understand the simplest concepts.
Feel free to type some more nonsense, but I honestly can’t be bothered to read it anymore.
I don’t think you understand. I’m talking about YOU. A man. getting pushed out of the men’s restroom for looking too “feminine.” You wouldn’t have a problem with that? https://www.amazon.com/dp/1338798618 I’ll leave this here for you in case you want to brush up.
Quick recap here to help you “understand the simplest concepts”:
I said we should put signs on gendered bathroom doors, since not everyones genitals look the same and gender doesn’t equate to genitals.
You replied that gender “mostly” equates to genitals.
Someone else said that’s no reason for non-inclusivity
You said your girlfriend got “almost raped” by a trans person and nobody’s allowed to argue until they are almost raped too
I said we’re all affected by this kind of vitriol on a daily basis
You said trans women harassing cis women is “the reality hundreds of thousands, if not millions of women” and made more unsubstantiated claims of harassment
I asked for some real evidence of these hundreds of thousands of even millions of women getting harassed by trans women on a regular basis.
You refused to to produce any evidence of that and instead called me a delusional, misogynistic clown.
I continued to restate my primary argument in the post: Let’s put signs on doors if we’re going to pointlessly gender the rooms they lead to, and asked how you’d feel being pushed out of your own gender’s space.
You are saying harassment of men “wouldn’t be a problem” and continued to say that I’m the delusional one.
I’d be more than willing to see any evidence that cis women are, by hundreds of thousands or millions, harassed by trans women in bathrooms. I can provide evidence that trans women are, by hundreds of thousands, harassed by cis people. You know, the REAL, ACTUALLY EXISTING damage that YOU are continuing to cause.
So you’re still arguing against putting gender signs on gendered bathrooms I guess? What is actually wrong with you, dude?
Yes, women’s bathrooms are for women. That’s why I’m saying we should write “women” on the door if we’re pointlessly gendering bathrooms anyway. Having a flower on the door is only going to INCREASE these issues, not decrease them, you “clown.” You don’t like me because I’m pointing out your false statements
Not only that, but not every women has a vagina, and certainly not every woman has a flowery one. Putting genital depictions on doors doesn’t help women, it harms them (just like it does to men…). How is that hard to see?
I’m affected by it in the here and now, on a daily basis, by the policies that are implemented by fearful morons. Not by some imaginary “almost raped!!” nonsense that you’re bringing into it. You and people who think like you are the oppressors, not the oppressed.
To think that when I say “let’s use actual signage” you cry rape is fucking ludicrous. Get the fuck out of here with these obviously disingenuous arguments.
Worthless nonsense you’re spouting. I work as a bartender on weekends and I had 2 situations last month alone where some “trans woman” was harassing women in the bathroom. This is not some “imaginary nonsense” you claim. This is the reality hundreds of thousands, if not millions of women face every single day.
You’re not affected by it. You make yourself affected so you can collect internet points from people who live in similar ivory towers, not having to live with the outcomes of the decisions you propagate. You’re one of those politicians that told the public during covid: “No you REALLY gotta stay home, we do too, we all suffer together :((((” while celebrating private parties on some estates.
People like you disgust me. You are so deep into your own delusion you don’t see how you are actively harming women with your bullshit. You’re a misogynistic clown. End of story.
Bringing false outrage and making up anecdotes doesn’t rise to the level of ending the story. You are the delusional one. Show me realistic evidence of these hundreds of thousands of daily incidents and maybe we can talk. Your words are harming women in the here and now.
“anecdotes” yeah what’s the fate of a few women, right. Fuck’em I’d say.
Show me realistic evidence
Bro no fucking evidence on gods green earth would convince you. You’ve dug yourself into a delusion you can’t escape from. I could show you a fucking video of a trans person raping a woman and you’d be like: “Ah well NOOO she’s just saying hello!” or some bullshit.
I’m just glad that overall politics worldwide goes against you and your insane views. I’m certainly not agreeing with everything they do, but I certainly do agree on that.
I’ve never hurt anyone nor has anyone given me grief for using the women’s bathroom. I’m sorry you’re hurting on other people’s behalf but that’s no excuse to demonise innocent trans women
Yes, “don’t harass anyone in the bathroom” and “if you’re going to gender bathrooms, put an actual sign on the door” are both insane views aren’t they?
You need to stop weaponising fear and get ahold of yourself.
Wait until your girlfriend gets harassed and almost raped in the womens bathroom by a “trans woman”, then we can discuss this non-inclusivity bullshit.
I’m sorry that happened to your girlfriend, but anyone is capable of rape. You seem to be fixating on the trans part because it affirms your biases.
Yes, but not anyone is normally allowed in the womens bathroom, or other “female zones”, if you will. Men don’t have anything to do in there. If you don’t pass as a woman, you shouldn’t be in there. Simple as that.
You ever stop to consider that maybe you don’t pass as your chosen gender to someone else? Let people use the public restrooms they want. Harassment and rape are crimes, police that all you want, but we don’t need idiots getting bent out of shape and causing confrontations in restrooms because they believe they know better than the individuals who choose to present as a gender.
I don’t care. I don’t have to use the womans bathroom.
No. Women’s bathroom are for women. If you don’t agree with that very simple statement, I do not like you and any further conversation is pointless.
You’re literally making my point for me. Let’s say you, believing yourself a man, go to use the men’s restroom. I look at you, see that you look “chestier” than my idea of a man, and you’re in the men’s restroom!! Now I start screaming about you harassing me in my gender’s restroom. You need to leave!!! If you’re a man, strip naked and prove it!
How fucking stupid. Nobody needs to be policing people’s appearances in what should be a pretty safe place. Don’t hassle anyone in the bathroom, whether you think they look more like a man or a woman at a glance.
It’s funny you feel the need to inverse the genders in your story because you realise how ridiculous your point would be if we stuck to the original genders.
I didn’t invert the genders. I was talking about specifically him as he is, a man.
Yes, it is equally as insane if a woman is pushed out of the women’s restroom for looking too masculine. I’m not sure what point you’re arguing though.
Which wouldn’t be a problem because men can defend themselves from other men. Also, men usually aren’t raped somewhere outside - men rape usually occurs in relationships, and at a MUCH lower rate than for women. I don’t have a problem with trans-men going to the mens bathroom. I have a problem with trans-WOMEN going to the WOMENS bathroom because women should be protected from this kind of harassment. Men do not experience that level of harassment.
The fact that you can’t even realize such a simple thing and you unironically thought it’s some kind of “gotcha” moment or whatever just proves my point that you are living in a delusion where the world is a merry place and everyone gets a pony for his 12th birthday. So any kind of discussion with you in this regard is completely useless since you can’t even understand the simplest concepts.
Feel free to type some more nonsense, but I honestly can’t be bothered to read it anymore.
I don’t think you understand. I’m talking about YOU. A man. getting pushed out of the men’s restroom for looking too “feminine.” You wouldn’t have a problem with that? https://www.amazon.com/dp/1338798618 I’ll leave this here for you in case you want to brush up.
Quick recap here to help you “understand the simplest concepts”:
I’d be more than willing to see any evidence that cis women are, by hundreds of thousands or millions, harassed by trans women in bathrooms. I can provide evidence that trans women are, by hundreds of thousands, harassed by cis people. You know, the REAL, ACTUALLY EXISTING damage that YOU are continuing to cause.
So you’re still arguing against putting gender signs on gendered bathrooms I guess? What is actually wrong with you, dude?
Yes, women’s bathrooms are for women. That’s why I’m saying we should write “women” on the door if we’re pointlessly gendering bathrooms anyway. Having a flower on the door is only going to INCREASE these issues, not decrease them, you “clown.” You don’t like me because I’m pointing out your false statements
Not only that, but not every women has a vagina, and certainly not every woman has a flowery one. Putting genital depictions on doors doesn’t help women, it harms them (just like it does to men…). How is that hard to see?
Oh why would I need to wait for that to discuss inclusivity?
Because when you or someone close to you has been affected by it, you start to see things from another view than that ivory tower most of you live in.
I’m affected by it in the here and now, on a daily basis, by the policies that are implemented by fearful morons. Not by some imaginary “almost raped!!” nonsense that you’re bringing into it. You and people who think like you are the oppressors, not the oppressed.
To think that when I say “let’s use actual signage” you cry rape is fucking ludicrous. Get the fuck out of here with these obviously disingenuous arguments.
Worthless nonsense you’re spouting. I work as a bartender on weekends and I had 2 situations last month alone where some “trans woman” was harassing women in the bathroom. This is not some “imaginary nonsense” you claim. This is the reality hundreds of thousands, if not millions of women face every single day.
You’re not affected by it. You make yourself affected so you can collect internet points from people who live in similar ivory towers, not having to live with the outcomes of the decisions you propagate. You’re one of those politicians that told the public during covid: “No you REALLY gotta stay home, we do too, we all suffer together :((((” while celebrating private parties on some estates.
People like you disgust me. You are so deep into your own delusion you don’t see how you are actively harming women with your bullshit. You’re a misogynistic clown. End of story.
Bringing false outrage and making up anecdotes doesn’t rise to the level of ending the story. You are the delusional one. Show me realistic evidence of these hundreds of thousands of daily incidents and maybe we can talk. Your words are harming women in the here and now.
“anecdotes” yeah what’s the fate of a few women, right. Fuck’em I’d say.
Bro no fucking evidence on gods green earth would convince you. You’ve dug yourself into a delusion you can’t escape from. I could show you a fucking video of a trans person raping a woman and you’d be like: “Ah well NOOO she’s just saying hello!” or some bullshit.
I’m just glad that overall politics worldwide goes against you and your insane views. I’m certainly not agreeing with everything they do, but I certainly do agree on that.
I’ve never hurt anyone nor has anyone given me grief for using the women’s bathroom. I’m sorry you’re hurting on other people’s behalf but that’s no excuse to demonise innocent trans women
Yes, “don’t harass anyone in the bathroom” and “if you’re going to gender bathrooms, put an actual sign on the door” are both insane views aren’t they?
You need to stop weaponising fear and get ahold of yourself.
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