Maybe this cartoon will help, just replace “racist” with “carnist” Here did it for you, might be good agitprop for the next “I will eat twice as much meat now”
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Ok and here is my POV:
I came into a comment section about a comic depicting the normalization of animal slavery and murder in front of children, with literal blood presented as a cutesy souvenir, for comedic shock effect and expressed my shock at this wanton display of cruelty by calling the people that participate in this knowingly as lacking “humanity” (which is a speciesist way of talking about compassion and empathy) and then refuse to back down from this position. Because, obviously, you need to lack compassion and kindness with the creatures you’re intending to butcher. That’s just objectively what’s happening.
As for your second point, I don’t care about the “vegan reputation”. People make fun of us no matter how polite and considerate to the babykillers we are. We are simultaneously the soyboy wimps who are too squeamish for the manly murder of baby sheep and the loudmouthed, foul, combative punks who keep disturbing everyone no matter how much you berate them and tell them to shut up. There is no winning so I refuse to play.
Besides, not everything is about outreach and sometimes I just want to comment how I feel without running it through the “oh how will the carnists react to this” filter (ironic then that this got me banned from my instance for trolling lol).
My reaction comes from me being a parent who already has to be very mindful of the carnist propaganda normalizing farm cruelty to babies and kindergardeners with overly cutesy depictions of the non-humans concentration camps. So this comic hit pretty hard, reminding me how this is dialed up to 11 when they will go to school. Outings to zoos and farms for the kulak and animal ag propaganda will be harder to avoid and they might even have to dissect creatures that have been killed just for this purpose? My eldest is already fairly sensitive and I want him to keep empathizing with non-humans, so it seems like the options are I fail and he sees non-humans as not deserving of compassion and kindness or he gets minitraumas constantly in the places he’s supposed to feel safe at.
Lets also not pretend this exchange is one sided. When I explained my POV in clear terms (and I guess I could’ve sugarcoated it somewhat I know how fragile carnists ego are but honestly this is often too tiring) your immediate reaction was “i’m gonna troll this guy by telling him just how much I love killing and make him feel bad by shifting the blame for this act on his rudeness”. Why is it that we are constantly expected to react politely to people being offensive to us and never the other way around? Maybe if you had been more polite I’d be more receptive to deescalation? Why are we the ones that are expected to deescalate, when in fact we are calling out injustice that is so normalized it doesn’t even register to most? Do you not see the contradiction here?
This answer is already fairly long and I guess serves as the proof that yeah I would’ve been calmer if you had been so I’m gonna leave it at that.
I even hesitated if “demonic” was a good word to replace my original statement with, but your first reaction to getting called out in your role in the genocide of the non-humans was “i’m gonna do it even harder” and if that’s not the exact reaction a demon would have then I don’t know what the concept is even good for
I mean how did you expect me to respond to
“I’m gonna munch on the corpse of the innocently slain just to troll you bro. I’m gonna prove your claims about lack of empathy and compassion exactly right by doing the demonic shit you just called out”
I believe in justice, that’s all 🤷 if you partake in the murder of innocents by eating their flesh then I’m not gonna pretend that I hope you get to do it more
hope you choke on it 🥰
g i v e m e l i b e r t y o r g i v e m e d e a t h
i mean apparently that’s your wish…
I meanI guess it was a little over the top lol, but can you look at the OP image again and tell me how that’s not a reasonable first reaction to have if you think of animals as thinking feeling creatures?? Also as a dad of two kids, this is the kind of shit I’m up against as a parent.
Also I don’t see non-human animals as lesser beings that’s just your speciesism projecting
Edit: I guess I meant in the sense that carnists lack empathy and care for others wellbeing, but framing that as human traits is speciesist in itself. I retract my original statement on speciesist grounds. The intent still stands though as an initial reaction, “carnists are demons” or something would have been more appropriate I think, thanks for coming to my ted talk.
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It clearly is like any other service work, unless you believe sex is a magical, special sphere of human activity
love having my reasons ascribed to me when I already laid them out, clearly I’m just a dullard while you have seen every possible argument one could make. Enjoy your sex treats I’m done wiht you all.
and yet some of those jobs would exist in a society without destitute women, whereas the porn industry as it currently is, wouldn’t.
None of them rent out intimate access to their bodies, it’s stupid to think that an account sitting behind the desk is just like a sex worker. Clearly one is in a more preferalble job. Clearly the welder has a better option to barter or organize for collective action, clearly those jobs would still exist in a society where destitute women didn’t whereas the porn industry as it currently is would die out
No it isn’t. It’s more like gig work if anything but often operates in legally gray/illegal areas with less if any chance to unionise. It’s harder work than retail, leaves you with less options in your social life, pays barely enough to get by, and is way way more intrusive to the laborer. it’s clearly not like other work. If there were no women left in the margins of society with no option, nothing to sell but access to their bodies then the porn industry as we know would die out. It’s such an idealistic view to think that a woman chooses to become a sex worker the same way she applies to be a barista or fast food worker.
Also “her own boss” is how libs try to sell the gig economy that leaves the laborers destitute and desperate, be it uber eats or whatever else. Any john/client whatever should be treated with the same scorn as a landlord, a predator preying on less fortunate.
Actually that would be preferable to what you usually wank to probably
Yeah do that loser don’t engage with anything I say just pin it on my religion and go wank to your atheism
needing to perform sexuality in order to make ends meet is a form of coercion. Like if someone has to grant access to their body, under threat of starvation or homelessness or whatever, that’s coercion. I don’t know how many sex workers are out there with a couple jobs lined up an then say “nah i’d rather do sex work” but within the current framework of gig economies and legally grey/restricted labor I bet it’s not a significant amount.
yeah I’m sure they’re really stoked to be fueling your goonsessions. disgusting. fucking libs start frothing everytime someone dares call out the oppression required to maintain their treatlerite life.
Yeah being against the commodification of womens bodies and nonconsensual sex is just being the moral police 🤮
Whats going on??? There’s obviously a difference between a cashier or warehouse worker being forced into their labour than a sex worker forced to sell intimate access to their body?? “Their own boss” what kind of liberalism is this??? This just flattens all the discourse around “sex work as work” into “wow they just perform a service like my mechanic it’s literally the same thing!” Fuck off with that bullshit.
I’m just gonna quote some marx here for all you people that think all labor is equally good and everyone just chooses freely what they want to do
The economists tell us, to be sure, that those labourers who have been rendered superfluous by machinery find new venues of employment. They dare not assert directly that the same labourers that have been discharged find situations in new branches of labour. Facts cry out too loudly against this lie. Strictly speaking, they only maintain that new means of employment will be found for other sections of the working class; for example, for that portion of the young generation of labourers who were about to enter upon that branch of industry which had just been abolished. Of course, this is a great satisfaction to the disabled labourers. There will be no lack of fresh exploitable blood and muscle for the Messrs. Capitalists—the dead may bury their dead. This consolation seems to be intended more for the comfort of the capitalists themselves than their labourers. If the whole class of the wage-labourer were to be annihilated by machinery, how terrible that would be for capital, which, without wage-labour, ceases to be capital!
But even if we assume that all who are directly forced out of employment by machinery, as well as all of the rising generation who were waiting for a chance of employment in the same branch of industry, do actually find some new employment—are we to believe that this new employment will pay as high wages as did the one they have lost? If it did, it would be in contradiction to the laws of political economy. We have seen how modern industry always tends to the substitution of the simpler and more subordinate employments for the higher and more complex ones. How, then, could a mass of workers thrown out of one branch of industry by machinery find refuge in another branch, unless they were to be paid more poorly?
Ok honestly I don’t give a shit how you try to justify your murderspree to yourself. How you’re trying to make it seem that you’re a good person despite all the murder. I don’t know why you felt the need to explain yourself to me. Have you seen a litter of kittens? Or puppies? How would you react if someone took all the babies away from their momma, caged her and milked her dry, only to forcibly impregnate her again the next year and repeat for the sole reason to keep the milk coming? What would your reaction be to someone killing the mewling kittens and frying them up and eating them, and when you express your horror tells you that they will repeat it again just because you dared point out their sadism? This is what a cow goes through year after year. “Oh but my omelas kids get to see the sky sometimes” wowee…
https://web.archive.org/web/20250403130922/https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/403444/dairy-industry-cow-life-milk-america
and I don’t know why I even try with you people anymore
like why do I explain my emotions in detail which included a glimpse into my private life to you who has been nothing but callously rude, only for you to completely ignore it and replace it with a more convenient explanation. And the explanation doesn’t even make sense, why would I come to the comment section to view the offensive post?? I saw it browsing the frontpage, got horrified and commented, the end.
Also how is the point different from
yankee is upset at danish guy callously murdering two animals, oh if only he knew that in the faroe islands they murder sheep in front of a class of children so violently that the kids are covered in blood splatter and give away literal bags of blood as cutesy souvenirs and the children are already so desensitized they cheer for this? Could you imagine his reaction teehee 🤭
So I present my reaction, because I think the fictional yanks reaction would be completely justified. Because I empathize with the person ridiculed and see myself in them. Because, jesus christ, I keep forgetting how demonically desensitized the average person is to the violence and death from which their treats come.
And I can already imagine the treatlerite in you ready with another excuse, another deflection, oh you can ignore the vegan he is just stupid/trolling he doesn’t actually mean that, he is just looking for a reaction/he is making a ridiculous assumption that obviously is false, no need to think about it further.
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his treats depend on his not understanding it.” Paraphrasing upton sinclair.
Honestly ask yourself if you really aren’t working your logic backwards from “i want to keep my lifestyle as it is”