Thanks for your comment this is interesting.

I think the mod in this sun hasn’t been active for about a month

Only Americans spell it that way

The idea of preconfiguration is super interesting. Thanks for your comment.

This is a useful distinction

I’ll check it out thanks

This was an interesting thread, thanks

Fair point

The way it comes into existence, which is prefiguring the existing system into anarchism, requires that the people already created horizontal power structures which forbid this “power vacuum”

That’s interesting. Can you pls elaborate on how this works?

It’s on the same sort of pedestal as communism really, in that lots of folks look at it on paper and think it sounds great, but reality’s a bitch.

I guess the difference is that anarchism doesn’t fail due to internal problems, it fails like you said by outside influences. Whereas most historical examples of communism failed due to internal influences (like corrupt leaders making bad economic decisions)

Why not both?

That’s interesting. I didn’t realize there was so much history behind this. Thanks for sharing

That’s interesting that they managed to have armies while doing that. How would that work? An army without top-down command seems unstable, it seems like they could easily seize control of the local communes if they wanted to

That’s very interesting, I should read the book.

That’s why I thought Le Guin’s moon solution was so elegantly simple.

You know things aren’t looking good for the anarchists when the easiest path forward for them is to regroup on the moon lol

Thanks for your input. This convo between you and @asofon@discuss.online is very interesting

Yeah, I wasnt trying to present it as feasible

Thanks for the book suggestion.

The 8 people thing is a unique idea. What if you have a family of 9 people though lol? Also if it’s anarchy then who would enforce the rules of keeping the group to only 8 people?

Yeah paper also beats rock, and computers are made out plastic and minerals, and minerals are kind of like rock. Therefore paper beats computer.

But then of course scissor beats paper so maybe the ideal democracy is a scissor democracy

This is a very interesting comment, thank you.

This principle of little communities getting together for bigger problems is what has been established in anarchist Ukraine and autonomous Chiapas, though in two different ways.

Thats really cool. Can you elaborate on this? I’ve never heard of anarchist Ukraine or the Chipas

I guess we could just choose not to scale? We could go back to the city state model they had in Europe during middle ages and in antiquity.

The only issue is how you would defend yourself militarily. Case in point: there is a reason why these city states eventually became part of the Roman Empire. A city state versus the Roman empire? It’s not a fair fight at all.

To prevent something like this you would need, like, a super NATO full of thousands of nation states, but corporation at that level maybe difficult (NATO is already proving difficult to maintain as is). You could also have a state for the purpose of only having the military, but that could easily slide into a military dictatorship. So it’s tricky.