also different standards.

one person’s clean is another’s dirty. etc.

most of them inherited their money.

most stupid people I meet who have all that stuff, it’s because most of it was inherited from mom and dad, or mom and dad had the connections to get them a 100K+ job straight out of college at a friends’ company.

And they think anyone who doesn’t have all stuff that is expensive as their stuff is stupid, because if they were smart, why wouldn’t they be richer than them?

I taught college for a few years.

Only about 10-20% of my students showed any evidence of engagement or understanding with the material.

The other 60% were just parroting everything, but that’s good enough to get B/C and pass the class and that’s all they care about.

And about 20% were total idiots who didn’t belong in a college classroom, but the school won’t fail them even when they cheat because money. 10% of my students cheated and I reported them and only about 3% of those that cheat get punished for it, the others get passed with a low grade.

Because people have different standards and don’t agree on what smart or stupid is.

I see people praising something as total genius, that I think is stupid as shit. And I see really smart things people say, downvoted into oblivion and called stupid.

People generally think stuff they agree with and makes them feel good is smart, and stuff they don’t agree with and makes them feel bad is stupid.

People keep trying to tell me all sorts of things about myself that I don’t agree with, and are objectively not true about myself.

Like based on my last name they assume I’m an Italian immigrant and often will argue about it with me and tell me how I must have grown up, usually based on TV stereotypes of Italians. It’s totally bizarre. For example I grew up on shitty processed white people food, not Italian food. I never had fresh proper Italian food until I learned to cook it myself in my 30s, and yet people ask me what it was like to have a mom cooking wonderful fresh food at home… and if say that wasn’t what happened in your childhood, they call you a liar.

people also justify and re-interpret their actions in real time. cheaters often think their cheating is justified rather than thinking of it making them terrible in the eyes of their spouse or family.

on the outside looking at the past, we have hindsight and context and oftentimes a different cultural and historical set of standards than other societies and other times had.

I find it particularly baffling when people like go back and read 18th century books and think they are bad people because they were racist or something. At that time, not being racist would have made you the moral outlier, just like being atheistic would.

You can do whatever you want. You can be fans of multiple teams, or none at all. You can even bandwagon and just be a fan of whomever is winning currently.

Yeah I am characterizing them as what they are. You articulate a defense of moral relativism, via very pedantic argumentation that equates unpaid parking tickets with murder. And then claim nobody is evil…in a world where objectively evil people are doing objective evil things all the time.

But hey, I believe in an objective reality and objective morality. Clearly I’m a terrible person, to a moral relativist. Especially when I judge them and dispute them.

I also notice lemmy has a lot of fan of solipsism who like to argue that they are very smart because there is no reality outside of themselves and you can’t prove to them that there is, and that I am clearly and ignorant fool if I acknowledge there is something outside of my own feelings. A couple of entire instances have this as their credo.

No I do totally understand. For you everything is relative, and everyone is equally innocent and guilty of all things at all times. That’s why it’s moral relativism.

Non relativism holds that certain acts are irredeemable, and that being nice to your kids wild murdering millions does not qualify you as ‘somewhat good’, anymore than getting a parking ticket makes a non-murderer ‘somewhat bad’.

It’s not a personal attack, it’s an observation that people who morally relativistic views tend to do some out of their own self interest in the world. Just like psychopaths and sociopaths overwhelmingly tend to be amoral. I don’t know any ‘good’ people who believe in moral relativism… and they rightfully avoid people who who are moral relativist.

There are tons of people who cartoonishly evil, do you read the news? Half of the USA political class are cartoonishly evil people, and lots of average citizens are as well.

We clearly live in totally different realities. You seem to like as long as Pol Pot was a nice guy to you, than you can’t condemn him as evil… lol And yeah, if that is your ‘truth’, why would anyone who actually believes in moral judgement want to associate with you? You basically are writing apologia for pedophiles, murders, abusers, and etc, and claiming they aren’t much different morally from people who are genuinely honest and kind to others and work towards making the world genuine a better place.

right, so criminal psychopaths and such are sometimes good people?

and someone who never harmed anyone in their life, must also be terrible in some way? they are just ‘lucky’ that life never goaded them into violence or hate…

you are clinging really hard to this relativism. i notice people who do that are usually shitty folks who are trying to normalize their history of repeatedly bad actions, like cheaters, drunk drivers, and folks with who are violent or abusive. it’s always people who repeated engage in destructive behaviors who want to drag everyone else down to their level, because they refuse to admit that they are terrible folks.

funny thing about my violent exes, they always took this relativist stance on ethics, because to them ‘good’ was only what benefited themselves and the notion there is something more important than them and their immediate feelings was considered evil to them.

or just manipulating people so you can murder them!

by that definition, as long as i asked someone to kill me, it’s a morally good thing.

What terrifies me, is I feel like a lot of younger people no longer can separate out words, thoughts, and reality. They seem to think if you ever have a racist thought once in your life you are irredeemable forever… it’s wild.

It feels like a evangelical christian craziness, just focused on race rather than sin.

everyone is racist.

racism being some ‘white on non-white’ only thing is a figment of rich white liberal imagination. not to mention their ignorance of intra-minority racism, of which asians are particularly nasty ime.

There are objective good and bad people. They are just rare. Most people are in the bell curve, and the vast majority of us hold some racist/sexist/stupid beliefs… the issue is just if those beliefs align with our peers, then they are good, and bad if they don’t.

I witness people saying horrible shit all the time, but as long as it’s against the ‘bad people’ people think it is great and you are wonderful for saying it.

i have no issues with delivery app service. it works fantastic for me. i’ve placed 100s of orders.

If you tell yourself a lie frequently enough, you believe it.

cool. i live in a house and they leave it on my porch and it’s great. I’d rather not waste an hour of my day to pick up food, that’s not very convenient. it’s pretty convenient to toss it in the oven for 5m to heat it up after it’s delivered though.

in the 90s and 2000s delivery didn’t exist for me. I grew up in a poor rural area we ate out like once every 3-4 months usually during a major shopping trip or family event. so i guess i never had the privilege of any of what you are talking about where restaurants would deliver food.

I only started using food delivery during the pandemic because it was the only way to eat out at the time.

good for your sister. my experience using food apps has been nothing but positive. on rare occasion something is missing and i report it and i get refunded.

also i think anyone who expects delivered food to be hot and ready to eat is entitled AF. you should expect to re-heat anything that takes more than 5 minutes to deliver, which would be most anything unless you’re like 5 blocks from the restaurant.

i don’t know what universe people are living in where their take out doesn’t have to be re-heated. mine always does. the only food that i don’t have to re-heat is when i’m in the restaurant. my burritos that i walk to to get take out are always cold when I get home less it’s like 80 degrees out.

I don’t want to interact with delivery people. I want them to leave my food on the porch.