“You-ess-ians” is the way I say it, but I’m a Spaniard so take it with a grain of salt. It’s unfair to the rest of the continent being bunched together with the United SSnaKKKes of America. In Spanish we actually usually refer to Yanks as “Estadounidenses”.

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How exactly does this

it’s to merely create doubt about the subject

follow from my comment? I posted factual evidence about China, got countered with “how about this other data I’m making up which is half as large?” and I mocked it

The Chinese government sees their citizens as a means, not an end. If it works out better to let people starve homeless, people will shiver in the rain

You’re not talking from factual evidence, but from western exceptionalism. I’ll proceed to disregard everything else you’ve written. Have a good day malding at the rise of China and your western empire crumbling

Got the graph from here. According to the source, the data’s origin is “according to surveys conducted between 2003-2016 by Harvard’s Kennedy School”.

Another source I’ve linked to in other comments, quotes: “According to the Pew Research Center, 85 percent of Chinese people in 2013 were satisfied with their government, while only 35 percent of Americans felt the same about their government. In May 2020, a University of California survey found that 88 percent of Chinese people preferred their country’s political system. A study jointly published by the Ash Center for Democratic Governance and Innovation at Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government showed that Chinese people’s satisfaction with the central government rose from 86.1 percent in 2003 to 93.1 percent in 2016”.

I’ve made sure to link to sources that portray western biases such as University of California, Pew Research or the Harvard University, and yet you see the replies to my comment are plagued with people questioning the methodology, as if three different western organizations had any motives to portray pro-China bias. Lemmy is riddled with anticommunist and anti-China bias, and bringing factual data gives people such levels of cognitive bias that they’ll just outright reject the information, MAGA style.

I understand you may doubt “government satisfaction” as a metric of anything actually good, that’s reasonable I guess, but the post is about OP’s impressions of the Chinese government, which is the reason why I brought it up.

Witnessing a mass murder would be akin to watching not a suicide net but an actual suicide, great false equivalency in your whataboutism.

What about unpaid holiday in the USA? What about homelessness rates? What about rates of poverty in urban areas and rates of employed poverty? What about diplomatic, economic and military support for genocide in Palestine? What about one in five black males going through the prison system at least once throughout their lives? What about mass incarceration rates? What about drug abuse and drug mortality? What about car-only infrastructure? What about expansive suburban without access to public transit or any walkability? What about food deserts? What about the invasion of Iraq? What about the most expensive healthcare in the planet with the least function of the developed world? What about the disintegration of public education? What about prohibitive tuition costs in universities? What about student debt? What about debt of US citizens in general? What about credit score rates? What about the price of housing being unaffordable? What about the oil dependency and the shutting down of renewable and nuclear projects? What about the “back to coal”? What about the collapse of unionization rates? What about rates of obesity? What about functional illiteracy rates? What about life expectancy being lower than in Cuba? What about massive wealth inequality? What about the most overfunded and bloated military industrial complex? What about the support for dictators and fascists all over the world? What about the CIA operations supporting coups and destroying socialist movements? What about the bombing of Libya submerging it into a civil war? What about the support for ISIS in Syria? What about mass surveillance of US citizens and of the rest of the world? What about ownership of mass media and social media by capitalist conglomerates? What about the militarized police disappearing people in the streets? What about the functionally equivalent two parties in your “democracy”? What about the pedophilic gerontocracy in power? What about the rollback of rights of women? What about the rollback of rights of trans people? What about the consistently racist policies? What about the lack of worker rights? What about the finacialized justice system? What about the total lack of public childcare infrastructure? What about the disastrous rates of second language knowledge and usage among USians? What about the exploitation of the peoples and their resources in the global south? What about the propagation of false neoliberal recipes for disaster through the IMF and its debt traps? What about the offshoring of polluting industries? What about the support for fascists like Bolsonaro and Milei?

National pride was also pretty high when the United States was going around committing war crimes against any small nation that leaned communist and domestic terrorism against its own people in the 20th century

Good thing China isn’t doing any of those things then, China doesnt go around doing war crimes, invading other nations or supporting fascist coups. The satisfaction rates must be coming from somewhere else then… Maybe from the extremely powerful and sustained economic growth lacking any big economic crises, the saving of millions of lives during the COVID pandemic with the strong central government mandates, the near-total home ownership rates, and the comparison of their government with those abroad?

“If nobody is going to ban the person giving me factual data contradicting my indoctrination, might as well block them”. Solid stance, not MAGA at all.

Sure, buddy, you know more about the methodology of these studies than literal Pew Research and the University of California. Keep going, show us more of your cognitive bias rejecting factual information about the country that your government has deemed evil and bad.

Source (surely Harvard is not an “evil dictator CCP mouthpiece”? Or are you MAGA saying everything is a psyop?)

Surely you are capable of understanding that 93% is a much greater number than 50%?

Whataboutism much? “Yeah, Chinese people may be overwhelmingly satisfied with their government, BUT WHAT ABOUT…”

But sure, let’s do whataboutism. I’ve visited China and the US (I’m Spanish). In China I’ve seen a total of 0 suicide nets. In the US I’ve seen plenty of public spaces forbidding people from having backpacks due to fear of mass murder with rifles. One of them was a university. Tell me again how much healthier the country that doesn’t allow BACKPACKS IN UNIVERSITIES is.

Those manufacturing jobs for humans are super safe in the coming decade

Not sure what you’re on about. AI revolution replacing humans by machines in industry? If China achieves this, it will find employment for its people in other sectors of the economy, as it historically has.

selling out future generations’ natural legacy

…by producing 93% of the world’s production of solar photovoltaic panels and being the largest investor in wind energy production and nuclear including the most advanced thorium reactor designs?

You’re looking at exploitation of the labour class by the ruling class

Go ahead and give us data about the wealth differences between politicians in China vs workers in China and compare that with western countries like USA or Germany. Go ahead, by all means, give us the data, convince us of your point and how much more a “ruling class” exists in China than elsewhere.

This graph was made using data from Pew Research, the University of California and the Ash Institute. Tell me again how much of a Communist, Pro-China these institutions have.

A source so that you get some more whiplash from your cognitive bias

I hope you’re joking. “Sinosphere” is the term applied to the area of the world you mention, the whole “copying” thing is backwards from what you said.

China famously has a communist party ruling the country, the rest of countries mentioned + the region of Taiwan don’t

Surely you know better than the University of California, Pew Research and the Ash Institute, buddy

Source so that you can get educated if you want

Disregarding the Chinese opinion of the Chinese government from a western standpoint is kinda racist yeah, it’s removing agency from Chinese people.

Taking 800 million people out of poverty and becoming the manufacturing hub of the world is not good enough of a government for you? It is for the majority of Chinese people though, highest government satisfaction rate in the world!

Edit: so many comments responding with striking cognitive dissonance against factual, empirical data carried out in study after study by Pew Research, the University of California and the Ash Institute. Westerners are so propagandized about China that they can’t even listen to western factual information about China and government satisfaction. Again: if you think you are less biased against communism than the western institutions listed above, think again.

I’ve given my sources in other comments and they’re all western institutions. Your inability to believe them comes not from reasonable skepticism, but from western propaganda giving you cognitive bias against anything positive coming from China.

Wow, an energy source which sometimes has increased cancer rates in its vicinity due to pollution? Thank golly all other energy sources don’t have such problems!

You can question the methodology, I’ve already given the sources in other replies if you’re interested (which links to several different studies, all carried out by western organizations such as University of California or the Pew Research Institute). You’re just not really interested, and you will reject the information because your cognitive bias tells you to.