If I literally had that experience for my whole life until then, I’m pretty certain that I would end it. Even if I knew that I would get out somehow. I can’t even imagine how traumatizing it must be if you never experienced comfort and safety, for your entire life.

Maybe watch Dominion if you can’t see my point.

That assumes that even extremely miserable lifes are worth living. If I lived in factory farm conditions my whole life, with the kind of procedures the animals have to go through, I’d try to end my life as soon as possible, as far as I can tell. Thankfully I never had to make that consideration in my life.

In terms of Utilitarianism, a life on a factory farm is one of the clearest examples of a life with a net negative intrinsic utility I could think of.

I feel like the repugnant conclusion is more about minimally positive utility lives.

Ah yes, the daily flawless logic of “you may treat them like absolute garbage on factory farms, but as long as you breed more, that’s actually good for them”

Next up is how puppy mills are the best invention ever and that the puppies should be grateful.

Would you say that people not getting dogs would actually be worse than people getting dogs and slicing their throats at 1-2 years old?

Imo people who care about animals are opposed to people cutting their throat open, instead of supporting it.

The fact that is considered good conditions for the animal, and that systematic violence get twisted into welfare, is such an incredibly grim reality…

Meat production currently increases by about 2-6% per year globally, while plant-based meat alternatives are growing 9-12% per year, though still much smaller in absolute terms for now. If meat alternatives keep dropping in price as production scales and supply chains mature, it might soon have an advantage, especially in emerging markets.

Store brand meat alternatives have already reached the price of their “real” meat counterparts here in Germany in 2025. Some are even a bit cheaper. It will be interesting to see the medium to long term impact of this on the meat market.