• IndieGoblin@lemmy.4d2.org
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    2 months ago

    “Leftists” that were saying this knowingly support trump. They’re accelrrationist who want conditions to get so bad that their ideas actually seem good.

    Harris was a good candidate her platform was progressive and pragmatic. There was very very little to complain about with her. Thats why the right and “left” had to work extra hard to undermine her. Look at how hard all the .ml on this site were working pre election to convince people not to vote. It was insane, any post that was positive about biden or Harris of waltz was met with a barrage of insane accusation and misinfo.

    But i dont think the left undermining dems was a deciding factor. I think it was rights pro trump narrative that was way to strong. Trump dominated every media space. If you were in male spaces pro trump quips were fucking everywhere you’d be watching a YouTuber who was non political for 10years then suddenly he would say something like “but trumps economy was damn good” or something about biden beinf asleep at the wheel. That stuff influences voters more than political ads and old media celebs.

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      There was very very little to complain about with her.

      • Promising full military support to a settler colony currently committing a genocide using US weapons
      • Campaigning with fucking Cheneys and pandering to fascists
      • Not promising any actual support for trans people, stopping at “I will follow the law”
      • Abandoning universal healthcare push
      • Not being actually voted on by anyone, instead just appointed by DNC
      • Most importantly: she’s a neolib, and the working class has been suffering materially due to neolib policies for the past 50 years, people want change

      There is a shitton to complain about her. If you are knowingly pushing the idea she was a good candidate you’re a genocide enabler.

      I would’ve voted for her if I was in the US (because the alternative is slightly worse in many ways). But, moral qualms aside, it’s crazy to just shove a status-quo establishment neoliberal and expect people who are surviving paycheck-to-paycheck due to that very ideology to be excited about it.

  • [object Object]@lemmy.ca
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    2 months ago

    Also you guys are fucking idiots.

    “If you don’t pick a better candidate then I’ll just let the one who wants concentration camps and to erase all of Palestine win”

    Like, seriously, look at the big picture. Do you think Kamala who would have still supported Israel would have been worse for Gaza? It’s literally not possible. You guys fucked up the entire planet in your pride.

    Now I’m not saying the DNC isn’t wrong, they’re fucking morons. But you guys just gave up on global warming, gay rights, trans rights, Gaza, any sembles of the environment, public health, the entire “justice” system, the courts, your immigrant neighbours, all people of colour in the US, and women’s rights.

    I cannot express how much I fucking hate people like you right now.

    Go ahead and downvote me. “But it’s not right”. Yeah? We’ll choosing to let this happen is leagues worse. You guaranteed the genecide in Gaza would be the worst it ever could be you fucking morons.

    Go out and pressure the DNC to not be shit, but don’t fucking say there’s no difference between Kamala and Trump.

    • Bytemeister@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      Wanna know how to pressure the DNC to pick a candidate you like? Go fucking vote for them in the primary!

      Typically, the primaries get 1/10th the turnout of the general election. That means that a very small number of people can sway the primary. Go stump for your candidate. Make phone calls, talk to your family and friends and community, explain why your candidate is the better choice.

      The lack of a primary in 2024 was fucking awful, but guess what? Chances are, there is a primary going on for your state right now, get to work!

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        2 months ago

        Try telling that to someone who supported Bernie, but before you do that you might want to go back and refresh youself on what happened. The DNC is a diseased carcass, change isn’t possible.

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          2 months ago

          Before I consider this complaint, I need you to go back, and get the primary results from the 2016 DNC primary and post them here.

          I know what the results are, but I need to know that you know before we discuss further.

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            Do you really think the vote results of a corrupt election somehow make that election not corrupt? How are we still having this stupid ass argument in 2026?

            I guess Putin really does have 88% support in Russia. That’s what the vote says after all, so it must be true.

            • Bytemeister@lemmy.world
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              2 months ago

              Are you saying that Bernie got more votes in the primary than Hillary, and the DNC manipulated the votes to make Hillary win?

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                No, I’m saying the election itself was corrupted in order to feed the victory to Hillary. Superdelegates, DNC-run smear campaigns, election rigging by limiting debates to reduce the visibility of the outsider. Accusations of sexism simply for not supporting the candidate with a vagina.

                Manipulating votes is not the only way to rig an election, you can do a lot just by manipulating the voters themselves. The DNC admitted to this, they didn’t have to run a fair election. So stop pretending the end result of a blatantly corrupt process justifies the process.

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      2 months ago

      They literally do think everything that’s happened under Trump would have been the same under Kamala.

      They are deeply unserious people who have no ambitions for politics and care only about purity-testing.

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        They would have been different, but Kamala wouldn’t have been different enough.

        Biden won and Trump instigated a coup over it. Why is that treasonous rat not in prison? Would Kamala have put him in prison? Oh, she should have said so. I had no idea.

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    2 months ago

    Notice the Leftist in this image is purity-testing and making demands while doing nothing themselves?

    Pretty accurate meme!