[a study paper is shown, with some of the text legible]
STUDY RESULTS
GIVING POOR PEOPLE MONEY REDUCES CRIME MORE THAN GIVING COPS THAT SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY
CONCLUSION
If you want to reduce crime, take care of your community’s primary needs instead of funding cops so much

[an orange character in a suit has stamped a paper labeled MORE POLICE FUNDING BILL, and is grinning]
Heh, you think we don’t know?

https://thebad.website/comic/scientific_policing

  • NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
    4·
    6 days ago

    and crime (like selling guns, drugs…) for extra money.

    I hope you can see the contradiction here. You just said they don’t work and now say that they do illegal work. That should be your first clue that something about your information is wrong, because obviously these two things can’t be true at the same time.

    More broadly, the idea that “whole communities of minorities stopped working” because of social welfare is, frankly, bullshit. And not just that, it’s the kind of bullshit that gets repeated everywhere (see: welfare queen rhetoric in America), because its purpose is to rile up working class people of the majority ethnicity against minorities. The fact of the matter is: People like having financial security and nice things, so the vast majority of people aren’t going to stop working because they’re getting the pittance of money that counts for social welfare in even really generous countries. When people don’t work, that’s almost always because they can’t work (see asylum seekers for another example), so whoever is telling you that dirty gypsies are lazily living off your tax money is feeding you bullshit. When it comes to Romas specifically, Romas have been shut out of polite society for centuries now, and it’d be ridiculous to assume that it stopped overnight. But we don’t have to assume; we know it hasn’t. It’s no coincidence that countries without intense and longstanding anti-Roma hatred also don’t have stereotypes about dirty Gypsies living off your tax money.

    In past two years we stopped this and now condition social support with behaving.

    So is there evidence that Roma crime is in any way correlated with social welfare or are you accepting that this “solution” worked based on vibes?

    • zzffyfajzkzhnsweqm@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      1·
      15 hours ago

      almost always because they can’t work

      I think you should research a topic in Slovenia specifically more deeply. We had two very very specific reasons why this is different for Slovenia:

      • If you have a few kids social support in slovenia is comparable to minimal wage. In disadvantaged communities it becomes a real option, because they are not educated and with so many kids, families often live on a single minimal income. Would you work if you would get the same money if you did not?
      • Slovenian law did not allow for government to tske anything frlm people in social support. And they did not have pay fines. And with our prisons full, lots of crime was reduced to fines. So criminals in those communities were never punished.

      illegal work

      Legal work would take their social security away. And they would have to work full time for no extra money. Would you?

      In many countries, behind this kind of argument is a racist motivation. But in some cases this kind of assuming bad intent actually keeps disadvantaged communities isolated, poor and hostage to crime.

      I thought lemmy was a place of an actuall debate. And now I see how easy you all assume bad motivation… And allow yourself to put words like “dirty Gypsie” in my mounth.

      • NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
        1·
        14 hours ago

        I think you should research a topic in Slovenia specifically more deeply.

        No, you should back up your assertions with data. Assuming what you’re saying is true, though, let’s try this:

        If you have a few kids social support in slovenia is comparable to minimal wage. […] Would you work if you would get the same money if you did not?

        Then the question becomes: Why is the money they’d get if they worked minimum wage? That’s your problem right there.

        And with our prisons full, lots of crime was reduced to fines. So criminals in those communities were never punished.

        Yeah that sounds like a problem. Nothing to do with social welfare though.

        And allow yourself to put words like “dirty Gypsie” in my mounth.

        I didn’t put them in your mouth; I put them in the mouth of wherever you’re getting your information. You seem to be well-meaning, but the stereotypes you’re parroting (which, again, show up everywhere, so this isn’t something unique about Slovenia) do come from the kind of people who would be mad at dirty Gypsies for stealing their tax money.