Coal is a fossil fuel. Gas is expensive atm because of the US/Israel war. Thats why they now want to use coal more. Its (a lot) worse for the climate, worse for health but cheaper. Actually quite capitalist of them…
Or what do you mean with fossil fuel plants? Diesel generators?
Well the reason the fossil fuel plants (coal, gas, oil) are needed is because nuclear energy was taken out of the equation. Look at francez they don’t have the same energy issues like Germany
I understand your position as: Germany has expensive energy because they are stupid and abandoned nuclear power.
While abandoning nuclear power before coal was certainly a bad idea climatewise (i’m even with you calling this idiotic, thank you Merkel), coal is not more expensive than nuclear.
The 20 cent/kWh the french have on their electricity bill is not an honest price. The operator EDF is state owned and constantly loosing money the state then has to put in again, so the they also pay with taxes for their electricity.
Also the more renewables are in the mix the less economic nuclear becomes. Nuclear is good when it can run 24/7 but not when it has to constantly change its output or event has to be turned off during the day.
EDF posted 5.2 billion profit in 2025, record 11 billion profit in 2024. Where do you see them losing money? Imagine having lower prices and more profit while having clean energy? Nuclear is a part of that formula ESPECIALLY for an industrial country like Germany. Alas, Germany went the other way and it’s people will fail to realize the consequences of this until it is irreparable. Industry will die, people will be poorer and Germany will be worse of. We can see this in 10 years. German auto makers already can’t compete (literally can’t make cars cheaper due to electricity cost that need to be passed down to consumer) with Chinese automakers. This is simple economics no?
Also they need to invest $542 billion by 2040. They have mostly 30 years old reactors which need a lot of maintenance.
And they now have to compete with solar/wind.
All of Germans automotive companies trimmed hair count. They can’t cut electricity cost. These companies are on a downward spiral heading towards extinction and the German public is the cause of it. Instead of these companies focusing on competing with China, the insane electricity costs are forcing them to figure out how to even compete at all.
I love German cars and I would hate for them to disappear, but when the entire government and public is so idiotic what so we expect? It’s over for them. It’s over for German manufacturing. Hopefully you all blame yourselves this time instead of others!
Coal is a fossil fuel. Gas is expensive atm because of the US/Israel war. Thats why they now want to use coal more. Its (a lot) worse for the climate, worse for health but cheaper. Actually quite capitalist of them…
Or what do you mean with fossil fuel plants? Diesel generators?
Well the reason the fossil fuel plants (coal, gas, oil) are needed is because nuclear energy was taken out of the equation. Look at francez they don’t have the same energy issues like Germany
I understand your position as: Germany has expensive energy because they are stupid and abandoned nuclear power.
While abandoning nuclear power before coal was certainly a bad idea climatewise (i’m even with you calling this idiotic, thank you Merkel), coal is not more expensive than nuclear.
The 20 cent/kWh the french have on their electricity bill is not an honest price. The operator EDF is state owned and constantly loosing money the state then has to put in again, so the they also pay with taxes for their electricity.
Also the more renewables are in the mix the less economic nuclear becomes. Nuclear is good when it can run 24/7 but not when it has to constantly change its output or event has to be turned off during the day.
EDF posted 5.2 billion profit in 2025, record 11 billion profit in 2024. Where do you see them losing money? Imagine having lower prices and more profit while having clean energy? Nuclear is a part of that formula ESPECIALLY for an industrial country like Germany. Alas, Germany went the other way and it’s people will fail to realize the consequences of this until it is irreparable. Industry will die, people will be poorer and Germany will be worse of. We can see this in 10 years. German auto makers already can’t compete (literally can’t make cars cheaper due to electricity cost that need to be passed down to consumer) with Chinese automakers. This is simple economics no?
They still are 50 billion euros in debt: https://www.edf.fr/en/2025-annual-results
Also they need to invest $542 billion by 2040. They have mostly 30 years old reactors which need a lot of maintenance. And they now have to compete with solar/wind.
Also see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levelized_cost_of_electricity
How much of a car cost is electricity cost vs labor cost? I suspect the latter to me much higher.
Well labor cost can be cut. https://amp.dw.com/en/germany-car-industry-job-cuts-bmw-volkswagen-mercedes-audi-porsche-china-ev-graphics/a-78168695
All of Germans automotive companies trimmed hair count. They can’t cut electricity cost. These companies are on a downward spiral heading towards extinction and the German public is the cause of it. Instead of these companies focusing on competing with China, the insane electricity costs are forcing them to figure out how to even compete at all.
I love German cars and I would hate for them to disappear, but when the entire government and public is so idiotic what so we expect? It’s over for them. It’s over for German manufacturing. Hopefully you all blame yourselves this time instead of others!