then quit using it. take off your leash.
True, but from my distro-hopping I learned there are quite a few Linux distros that throw tantrums when you try to install w/o wifi, and some ISOs that flat out don’t allow it. I’m not technically sharp enough to find the link, but this and most of my other problems with Linux went away when I stopped using distros built with systemd.
CachyOS is fast, sure. But have you tried Void? MX? Artix? PCLinuxOS? All very fast, and way fewer tantrums/stability issues. Systemd acts like a bureaucrat that checked out long ago, but keeps the job because of the benefits and does it as spitefully as possible. It’s about what I’d expect from a corp like Red Hat, and one day it’ll ask for your government ID to install.
The Linux community should get serious about systemd and how it talks to newcomers about it. It’s annoying now, and it’ll be a liability later.
You can install them all without WiFi easily by plugging in an ethernet cable. Easy.
I meant to say internet. Tysm for correcting me. I’m truly grateful and humbly request that you take an unchaperoned bath with my teenage daughters.
And “install” is literally optional
Using Windows for me is a cumulation of annoying little things that becomes too big to ignore. Another thing you can add on that list is fiddling with keyboard layouts if you don’t use the default US one. And be sure to delete them all except the one you want to use, even the sub layouts, because accidentally hitting a key combo could switch it back to the default US one.
It’s a specific pet peeve that I have against Windows. I’ve had so many calls (I do tech support) from people that had their computer suddenly not making the characters they wanted, sometimes only in specific programs, just to discover that they reverted to the default layout by hitting Win + spacebar at some point.
I recently had to install Windows 11 from a USB for a friend building a PC. The last time I did that was Windows 7, and oh boy, has that process been enshittified to hell since then.
Honestly, I think I will refuse to install Windows when helping with future PC builds, just because it was such a pain-in-the-ass. The amount of adware you had to actively refuse, through a maze of dark-pattern designs was borderline dystopian.
Windows: We built in the dark patterns so you don’t have to worry about 3rd parties fucking with you because you are already fucked!
I have no issues doing an offline install of windows 11. Just like running linux at some point you will want to connect to the Internet for proper updates, but it’s entirely possible and not near as hard as this is pretending.
I just wish I could run Linux without CLI
And here I am at work with windows and running just things out of command prompt and powershell because it’s much faster and more efficient.
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I’ve never had an issue clicking “domain join instead” and creating a local account
Do it all again when msft undoes your work on the next update
Not even next update. I ran a debloater script that removed OneDrive and within two hours it had been reinstalled with no intervention from me.
Is there no solution to this?
My first thought is an IP ban list outside of the computer itself. Put it on your home router maybe.
I guess it could be getting installed from a binary that exists on the OS already.
I haven’t used windows in a long time. But it’s wild how much work people have to do to decide which programs are or are not installed on their PC.
Is there no solution to this?
Linux…
That’s been my solution. The nerd in me just wants to know. I feel like windows and “windows debloat scripts” or the like have gotten worse together. It’s like all the people that use to write cool programs or apps for Windows left for Linux and never looked back. (Except the game cracks I guess? Maybe that’s even dead now though idk)
I mean, it’s a good thing. But, it surprises me how awful the nerd support is for Windows now. I guess it’s so annoying to work with that no one even bothers anymore.
It just feels like something that should have a universal solution by now.
Group policy settings will let you kill it off permanently. But windows likes to reinstall things every time there is a minor update to the OS, and if you don’t have a group policy setup it’ll do it too.
It’s like all the people that use to write cool programs or apps for Windows left for Linux and never looked back.
I have no idea if it is true, but it would make a lot of sense. Why spend your time fixing MS’s for-profit shit, for free, when there is a viable open source alternative?
I wonder if there will come a tipping point? MS is making Windows really hard to love, so who in the altruistic group will stay on Windows when the mythical Year Of The Linux Desktop truly comes?
The solution for a lot of these random issues with reinstalling stuff is to not use weird scripts to do things you can just handle normally.
Just uninstall it like a regular app and it doesn’t come back on its own from my experience. I’ve literally never had it come back on any of my systems, my family’s, or customers, by doing it that way.
I don’t have that issue with script either, my guess is that’s a regional thing, do you live in the EU too?
Ran into this shit yesterday trying to set up a laptop for someone where I had no internet access.
Imagine having everything ready to go on a USB drive and you can’t get past the second screen unless you find WiFi.
At least this command still works, but damn.
Video games have gone this way too. Pop in disc or cartridge, go to play, forced to download updates that fix what was shipped in a broken state.
And then they have the gall to point to sales of physical media being down.
Like, if you make your physical media shit on purpose, you can’t use that to support your argument for digital-only distrubition. It’s actually infuriating.
For the record, the majority of games ship on disc. If you had auto updates off or no internet, the game will play after installing.
If you use Rufus you can create the USB that automatically bypasses the Internet requirements. Still annoying af though.
windows didn’t have the drivers for my mobo, so i could use neither ethernet nor wifi.
imagine having to have a usb to ethernet dongle ready to set up windows.
what a fucking shitshow…
Yup. I have a whole bunch of devices to bypass random shit to setup client devices on site.
I work in IT and half the time spent deploying a new device is getting around Windows’ bullshit.
You can’t be serious, or you must not support Windows much.
I don’t think much of my workplace’s Windows desktop “engineer” but even they’ve put together (and keep updated) an image that can get from blank drive to fully installed, updated, baseline programs for our company installed, all settings tweaked to get rid of 90% of the dumb Windows bloat (have to leave the shit the execs like in place) in 30 minutes unattended.
The server builds my team oversees are 10 minutes setups, if that.
Like, I’ve been desktop support, and installing and configuring the department specific programs could be such annoying shit that you’d end up saving more time reimaging when something fucked up than to try and fix it, but the initial OS install was rarely the issue. Maybe for the first few days with entirely new hardware while we figured out the right drivers, but that was it.
Linux is leagues better than Windows, but some of this shit I keep seeing in these Linux communities is batshit. You personally not being familiar with Windows isn’t a reason it sucks, any more than people saying Linux is complicated is a reason for them to hate Linux.
I am not unfamiliar with Windows in any sense thank you. Windows is objectively bad, there is no good reason that one must maintain their own custom image to install an operating system to a usable capacity because the vendor image is so disgustingly bloated that getting any real-world use is a chore.
And it’s not even recent Windows enshittification that is the problem, it is the foundational architecture of the NT system. With a Linux operating system, you install, and you’re done, on Windows, you install, then you need to go out and do 15+ updates that for some reason aren’t done during install, then you need to go out and get all your drivers for your hardware. It’s poorly designed, slow, clunky, and, especially considering that Windows doesn’t have a package manager and a curated software repository (Winget + MS Store does NOT count), unbelievably insecure.
My organization has pretty much decided that Windows is on the way out, it’s just going to be a very long time for us to transfer to Linux-based operating systems. Even after getting Windows to a just-about acceptable standard, it’s still far heavier than any Linux-based OS would be, which for our thin clients is genuinely proving a problem as many of our staff have high memory usage workflows and are frequently seeing programs crash due to memory limitations.
Unless you are severely, clinically deluded, there is no way you can genuinely state that what you hear in Linux communities is “batshit”; everyone knows Windows is dying, even Microsoft…
He’s talking about corporate environments that have the resources to have done the work to make Windows work, they’re not starting from zero - they’ve either got an SCCM environment with a PE that has all their configs and drivers preloaded or they’ve worked hard to make intune autopilot work (which still requires either the OEM or a curated image for the hardware configs).
He’s not talking about setups that are doing installs 1:1
It could also be a pre-prepared disk image.
If someone asked me to install Windows for them I’d very politely tell them to get bent.
I use this when I have to install windows.
https://schneegans.de/windows/unattend-generator/Fully automated the install
Next time during setup do this: 1.don’t connect to a network
- Either shift+f10 or Ctrl+shift+f10 to bring up a command prompt.
3.Type: start ms-cxh:localonly
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Hit enter and the create user box will pop up.
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You can now create a local user account.
Network installers
NixOs is in shambles
Every time i see a comment about NixOS it makes me even more wary about trying it.
Everyone jokes about Arch being the ‘from the ground up’ OS, but Nix feels like it embodies those memes.
Yeah nixos is a lot of learning and a lot of writing and tweaking .nix files.
That being said, once you have a setup you like that works it means installing on a new machine is mostly just running a couple of install commands and all your apps/settings/environment secrets/anything you’ve declared in your nix config (like dotfiles for apps unsupported by home-manager) come with you and are version controlled on the system and in code.
But it doesn’t work like a normal Linux system, there is no /bin/bash among thousands of other things, so it’s for a niche audience where it’s either a server with infra as code or a desktop that requires a lot of work to maintain but has some incredible advantages (like generations)
Yeah it was my pipeline. But be wary, this is a hard path to take. The os is great. The package manager is great. The nix config language? Hahaha welcome to hell! It takes at least 6 months to get comfortable with it. And still, sometimes you can still come across a config file that will be totally alien to you. And when you need something not in the repos… time to learn how to package stuff!
It’s not to discourage you, but be warned. It takes time. I had 5 attempts at it before it became my daily driver.
Keep a working distro on the side. And when you start your computer, think about what you want to do. If you think you can do everything you want today in NixOs, boot it. If you have a lot missing/do not feel like configuring it, boot the other distro. Just start small. Do some little challenges like turning your config into a flake, create a nix os module, split your configuration in smaller more maintainable files, create a systemd service, wrangle with that damn home manager that keeps making everything so confusing.
And arch is actually the one from scratch. NixOs is intimately linked to systemd. Nix also requires some base dependencies like git and curl, so it’s not from scratch. However you could argue that NixOs is a “make a distro from the kitchen utensils and a recipe”.
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AFAIK the BypassNRO method doesn’t work anymore, instead:
“When it asks for one’s Microsoft account, press
Shift + F10, and typestart ms-cxh:localonly. This prompts the window to create a local account instead. 🖕” ―Bypass Windows 11 Microsoft account promptWorked for me yesterday, but this was on a laptop just booted, no connection to internet so there’s no telling what version it was on.
If the install media is old enough it will still work.
If you’re installing pro, you can just say it’s for work and click “join a domain instead” and then just never join a domain
I had to use bypass to get around the network part. Because for some reason it wouldn’t let me go past that step, and it also doesn’t offer static ip settings. We don’t have dhcp for our main network.
It’s even worse for notebooks. I had several new machines where Windows Setup didn’t even have the required network drivers.
Sometimes when seeing Linux Memes like this, I think whether this one user with their 1-man-linux-hating-community simply blocked all these communities or reads them as some sort of rage-fuel.
He’s actually somewhat knowledgeable about Linux and he’s putting a lot of effort into finding hairs in the soup. I think the guy just enjoys being an asshole and if it wasn’t Linux he’d pick something else.
I’m convinced he’s a fed running a propaganda campaign because there’s no way someone’s expending that much time and effort and not getting paid for it.
I assume that he has a severe mental health problem. I had a neighbor who’s kid had schizophrenia and would spend all day writing about how we were hacking his dreams and other nonsense. The sheer volume of letters he wrote to us about it was staggering. A ream of paper or more landed in our mailbox every week. It’s amazing how much someone can do when they only can focus on a single thing and have way too much energy.
I felt sorry for the kid, when he was on his meds he was perfectly nice, if kinda odd.
there’s no way someone’s expending that much time and effort and not getting paid for it
…you say on Lemmy, of all places. 😜
Are they? I have not checked their posts in depth. The ones I have seen in my feed were along the lines of “lol, Linux users do not shower / don’t get women” or “if Linux good, why not used in Business” (what is a wild thing to say, considering… Well Servers), so that’s the baseline I’ve had in my mind
Nah he often jumps into my post comments to make some remark
Just today and yesterday, one of my friends asked me to upgrade their windows server for their small business.
Installing a fucking windows took me 6 hours. This whole shit would be done in 40min I if I could install and setup Debian on their server.
I made the mistake of creating a Windows VM and believing their minimum required disk space figure of 64GB. It won’t upgrade. Asks to attach an external USB drive because it lacks enough space. It hasn’t anything added to it, only some bloatware removed. Attempting to upgrade takes hours, fails (despite attaching the extra storage), then restarts the entire download and install process over again. I can only assume it’s incapable of caching and verifying downloaded content. There’s no offline installer option, like we used to have with service packs. The whole thing is slow as molasses yet it doesn’t max out the 8(!) CPUs allocated to it. The host has plenty of spare capacity. It’s a steaming pile of shit.
Linux guests run fine.
I had to install Windows on my sister’s computer. I also thought that since every OS is fine with my 8GB USB and minimal requirements also require a 8GB USB that it would be fine. It wasn’t. I had to re-flash it on a USB meant for photos and move everything temporarily to my HDD because of that.
I think I’ve installed a Fedora server in 5 minutes. It’s now literally 3 clicks if you’re doing it manually.
Yep. Totally possible.
I’m also counting the setup and restore stuff.
It could be done in 15 minutes with Windows as well, if you actually knew what you were doing. Hell, I’ll give you 40 minutes if you know what you’re doing and don’t have proper tools already setup.
Windows is a shitshow, but your personal lack of familiarity isn’t evidence of that, lol.
I work as a sysadmin (luckily I work mostly with Linux). We have lots of tools for windows server setup on our company, and for most deployments, we have templates and checklists to deploy as quickly as possible.
It still takes at least 2 hours to deploy windows server from a checkpoint, and that’s skipping all the initial installation. Most of that time is spent updating, debloating, and setting the most basic stuff up.
It takes me less time to set up a Linux server from scratch, without any checkpoints, than it takes my coworkers to set up a windows server for the 9999th time, with a decade worth of tools.
I manage multiple windows servers with AD and all the shit.
I have set them up tens of times.
When you have a shit piece of software, it is unpredictable. So you encounter a new issue every time.
